training / reps

[carnutzzz]

Yeah- I didn't mean to confuse. To paraphrase- just ease into it!

Whey is the fastest of the proteins in terms of utilization by the body. You'll want to consume it as you finish your workout.

Other types of protein, like egg protein, absorb slower and thus are better before bedtime if you want to feed the machine while you sleep.

[mcuozzo]

Lot of good advice in this thread.

A lot of the processes of the body - repairing of the muscle, carrying away of the bypdroducts of working out, burning fat, etc. use water. So even if you do everything right and are dehydrated you will see decreased results.

These shakes are a good source of protein, contain 0 sugar and are pretty tasty and satisfying. Low calorie too...http://register.eas.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpItmDspRte.jsp?item=3405&section=10779

And don't be so sure that you didn't train hard enough. Are you sore today? Some times it takes two days before you feel the soreness. That's why you can't really train the same body part too many times in a weak like Carnutzz said. I haven't gotten a good answer about why sometimes (and it varies for me) you feel soreness one day after or two days after. I have a suspicion it has to do with your hydration level (yeah I'm a broken record).

Good luck!

[adrian jaye]

thankxs,
understood,

As a Diabetic (not training but general weight loss etc) I understand what I need to eat/drink.

Again Insulin is a hormone and does tend to make you super hungry usually at the wrong times, regardless of how and what I eat

However lowering weight has the advantage of needing less insulin and less cravings.

chances are also I'm not drinking enough water

I understand major lifstlye, again I want to focus on making myself look and feeling good after my breakup, I know exercise realises endorphins.

I'm concerned about loosing weight, which is how I monitor progress and "building" as taking protein and making muscle which is heavier, does that make sense ???

Dont know wether to loose the weight (chest/tummy) and then go for body building or just do it as the increased activity should also burn calories.

problem is trainers/gyms all cost, here in the UK petrol is through the roof, so commuting is really putting a strain on my finances. Hence why I'm initally asking here.

Originally Posted by gchappel

It sounds like you are talking about a major lifestyle change here- on which over the course of a year you will have spent hundreds of hours. Please do not go into this without a plan. Diet will be vital, especially with diabetes. Proper training will also be vital- or you will get all the classic signs of overtraining and quit.
If you don't know what you are doing hire a trainer- at least for a short period of time to get you started. Ask around, find a good one. They can direct you on diet- or better yet talk to a nutritionist. If you don't want to do that, at least go to the library and read- there are dozens of good books with plans, ideas and explanations. Spend the first week lifting books instead of weight, will pay off in the end. If you go into this randomly, you will not get where you want to go, at least not with efficient use of your time.
Been there, done that. Got hurt. Doing it again.
I should write a book on how weaklings like myself should train- call it pumping aluminum.
Gary

[adrian jaye]

I understand what your saying now
thanks

Originally Posted by kstarnes

There's more than one "right" way to go and many folks have their own philosophies when it comes to diet and muscle building. Your physiology should have a lot to do with your program - good advice above about spending some time with a trainer and nutritionist and even doctor as well.

[adrian jaye]

yep, towards the end of the next day my arms felt a wee bit sore.

Originally Posted by mcuozzo

And don't be so sure that you didn't train hard enough. Are you sore today? Some times it takes two days before you feel the soreness. That's why you can't really train the same body part too many times in a weak like Carnutzz said. I haven't gotten a good answer about why sometimes (and it varies for me) you feel soreness one day after or two days after. I have a suspicion it has to do with your hydration level (yeah I'm a broken record).

Good luck!

[IROC]

Originally Posted by adrian jaye

I'm concerned about loosing weight, which is how I monitor progress and "building" as taking protein and making muscle which is heavier, does that make sense ???

One thing that I have found is that losing weight and building muscle mass at the same time is difficult. You're sort of asking your body to do two mutually-exclusive things. One benefit of the weight training, though, is that muscle burns more calories than other tissue, so effectively your at-rest metabolism will increase when you increase muscle.

One thing for sure is that even when you consider all of the advice on this thread, you need to filter it and utilize it to fit your level of commitment and lifestyle. For sure, exercise and working out is hard work and there's nothing worse than setting goals waaay too high only to realize how difficult they are to actually attain and then get discouraged and quit. I've seen it happen alot.

Keep all of this advice in mind, but take it easy at first and most importantly stick with it. I like to compare it to putting a dollar (or one quid in your case) in a can every time you exercise. Each particular workout (or quid) - on its own - isn't going to add up to much and isn't going to make a huge difference, but at the end of 6 months, say, you look in the can and there's quite a bit of money in there.

[adrian jaye]

maybe I need to loose some more weight but do weights not for muscle building but for toning and keeping me body in shape, then maybe do some serious bulking up?

but I got a tummy and man chest to loose yet,

no point in having great guns when you got a beer belly


AAAAAAAAAARGGGGGs

or possibly forgetting the loosing weight and just work out

decisions decisions

Originally Posted by IROC

One thing that I have found is that losing weight and building muscle mass at the same time is difficult. You're sort of asking your body to do two mutually-exclusive things. One benefit of the weight training, though, is that muscle burns more calories than other tissue, so effectively your at-rest metabolism will increase when you increase muscle.

One thing for sure is that even when you consider all of the advice on this thread, you need to filter it and utilize it to fit your level of commitment and lifestyle. For sure, exercise and working out is hard work and there's nothing worse than setting goals waaay too high only to realize how difficult they are to actually attain and then get discouraged and quit. I've seen it happen alot.

Keep all of this advice in mind, but take it easy at first and most importantly stick with it. I like to compare it to putting a dollar (or one quid in your case) in a can every time you exercise. Each particular workout (or quid) - on its own - isn't going to add up to much and isn't going to make a huge difference, but at the end of 6 months, say, you look in the can and there's quite a bit of money in there.

[IROC]

Originally Posted by adrian jaye

maybe I need to loose some more weight but do weights not for muscle building but for toning and keeping me body in shape, then maybe do some serious bulking up?

or possibly forgetting the loosing weight and just work out

decisions decisions

There are alot of misconceptions and terms that are not used correctly in the world of exercise. "Toning" and "muscle building" are really the same thing. The amount of definition one has (how "toned" you look) is really more a function of body fat percentage than muscle mass. Nearly every man would have six pack abs if his body fat percentage was low enough - regardless of whether he ever did a sit up.

This sounds overly simplified, but the best thing to do is to eat healthy (as best you can) and exercise. If you want to lose weight, burn more calories than you take in. If you maintain this course, your body fat percentage will drop and you'll magically gain "tone".

[adrian jaye]

thankxs

and thankxs for the patience much appreciated

Ade

Originally Posted by IROC

There are alot of misconceptions and terms that are not used correctly in the world of exercise. "Toning" and "muscle building" are really the same thing. The amount of definition one has (how "toned" you look) is really more a function of body fat percentage than muscle mass. Nearly every man would have six pack abs if his body fat percentage was low enough - regardless of whether he ever did a sit up.

This sounds overly simplified, but the best thing to do is to eat healthy (as best you can) and exercise. If you want to lose weight, burn more calories than you take in. If you maintain this course, your body fat percentage will drop and you'll magically gain "tone".

[mcuozzo]

Your right it's tough to lose weight and build muscle at the same time. However what you really want to do is lose fat and build muscle.

You really want to have your body fat measured. Get a baseline measurement now. Than check it periodically. If this number goes down your doing it right, your increasing your lean muscle mass while losing fat. It really doesn't matter what you bathroom scale says, since that's just measuring you total weight. The Vitamin Shop and most gyms\doctors will do this for you.

The other good way to measure your results is with your belt! I often don't say I want to loose 10 lbs, but I will make it a goal to go back down a notch on my belt!

Good luck!

[RANDY P]

One other thing to mention -
If at all possible, find someone to train with. Doing so will ensure you get more out of your workouts - that spotter can assist you to work your muscle to failure by helping you along as you start to weaken from fatigue.

it's also good from a safety standpoint - that person can watch your form and ensure you are getting the most out of your efforts.

Keep your diet clean and well loaded with protein, sleep a lot and make the most of your time in the gym, you don't have to stay forever, but what time you invest make sure you get the most out of it.

[Tobra]

I presume you spoke to your endocrinologist about all this stuff, if not, you should.

They can help you out with the diet stuff too, plenty of protein.

Stay well hydrated. Exercise in the AM, it will raise your metabolism for a period of time and help with weight loss. You may have trouble sleeping if you exercise late in the day, revs you up right before bed.

You should work on your core strength every day. Crunches, situps, whatever. A partner for working out is good, less likely to miss a day.

take something with you to the gym to eat

If your blood sugar drops, better to have a piece of hard candy or something to chew up and buy some time for you to find something to eat.

Watch your sugars closely. You will require less insulin as you change your percent body fat and lose weight. Be a shame if you started getting in shape and dropped dead from hypoglycemia.

[adrian jaye]

endocrinologist , wasszat
other than you guyz not spoken to anyone, when I "did" start to do this had a doc check up.

oh btw two other little complication's.

1> Heart Murmur from birth, not an issue, but I tend to get fatigiued quicker than most, again advise by MD was to work out up to 70% of heart rate

2> lower back pain probs, though saying that have not had many issues since I've lost weight,

I also tend to train afterwork (evenings about 630-700) and have noticed more difficult to sleep, so not getting enough sleep.
I also understand you need a lot of sleep for your body to heal

any yes my insulin requirements have come down, with my monitoring I've had to lower that (which is a plus point) !

and its a bit of a misnomer, about dropping dead from a hypo, as long as your liver is in good condition and your not totally drunk,

your liver (in a hypo) will kick out a small amount of sugar which should bring you round. Many Diabetics, have had hypos in there sleep,a dn been ok in the morning. first sign of a night time hypo, is high blodd sugar (as youve rebounded) and a stiff neck.

but I dig your point

Originally Posted by Tobra

I presume you spoke to your endocrinologist about all this stuff, if not, you should.

They can help you out with the diet stuff too, plenty of protein.

Stay well hydrated. Exercise in the AM, it will raise your metabolism for a period of time and help with weight loss. You may have trouble sleeping if you exercise late in the day, revs you up right before bed.

You should work on your core strength every day. Crunches, situps, whatever. A partner for working out is good, less likely to miss a day.

take something with you to the gym to eat

If your blood sugar drops, better to have a piece of hard candy or something to chew up and buy some time for you to find something to eat.

Watch your sugars closely. You will require less insulin as you change your percent body fat and lose weight. Be a shame if you started getting in shape and dropped dead from hypoglycemia.