Tragedy in Oakland. Three officers killed.

[Moses]

And a fourth wounded officer is not expected to live.

The suspect, Lovell Mixon had an extensive criminal history and was recently paroled on an assault with a deadly weapon conviction. Mixon's killing spree was initiated by a routine traffic stop. Mixon was 27 years old.

This is a complete failure of the criminal justice system. Why is a known violent criminal allowed parole at age 27? My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the murdered officers.

We have a lot of officers here on Pelican. MMarsh and others. PLEASE be careful.

[syncroid]

I just read the whole story in the Mercury News this morning. Very sad!
Apparently (according to the paper) there are many many more of these parolled dirt bags roaming around the east bay streets. Time bombs waiting to go off. I second the "Please be carefull out there"

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Moses

And a fourth wounded officer is not expected to live.

The suspect, Lovell Mixon had an extensive criminal history and was recently paroled on an assault with a deadly weapon conviction. Mixon's killing spree was initiated by a routine traffic stop. Mixon was 27 years old.

This is a complete failure of the criminal justice system. Why is a known violent criminal allowed parole at age 27? My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the murdered officers.

We have a lot of officers here on Pelican. MMarsh and others. PLEASE be careful.

Haven't you heard? Murderers can be rehabilitated and let loose on society, it's the drunk drivers and sex offenders who are a danger to society forever.

[Danimal16]

The likes of this guy are rehabilitated with a rifle.

[slakjaw]

we need to start shooting back

[tabs]

Yes and California is going to Parole another 57,000 of them as well. CA simply does not have the room to house all the criminals.

So let us hope they ALLL relocate themselves to LA and San Francisco...the citizens there are so concerned about how dangerous firearms are and have passed stringent laws on firearms so they ought to be safe from outrages like the Oakland killings...After all, all you have to do is REASON with people to get a harmonious outcome....Like, "GIVE ME ALL YOU MONEY MTHERFKER, OR I WILL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT." Now thats what I call reasonable.

[m21sniper]

I would happily go out and remove some of these really bad criminals from the street in my own way- i am sure a LOT of us would- but the same cops would put us in jail....forever. And i'm not giving up my life for an ungrateful master. No way.

We can't have vigilantism you see, we need LAW AND ORDER.

Shrug. This society is exactly as it is because it's exactly what we have deliberately engineered it into.

[Moses]

Update: All four officers are dead.

Slain officers



Lovelle Mixon

[Tobra]

Tragedy is an understatement; all because he was not going back to jail.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

Haven't you heard? Murderers can be rehabilitated and let loose on society, it's the drunk drivers and sex offenders who are a danger to society forever.

You forgot guys toting a dime bag of weed.

And frankly I think the sex offenders ARE a danger to society forever. I have no problem with locking up those individuals and throwing away the key. Or simply castrating them. Don't care. Drunk driving is a scourge but I agree it's over-enforced.

It all comes down to money. CA has none, so they're kicking the criminals back to the streets, which only empowers them to do larger-scale crime and focusing on enforcement efforts that actually make the state money (parking & traffic enforcement, vehicle registrations, business licenses, similar nonsense).

Very sorry for the families of those officers. Horrible story.

And (once again) I completely agree with sniper. I'd welcome the chance to rid this world of some human refuse (god knows there's enough of it around socal) but society is too pussified at this point to resort to such measures that would actually SOLVE THE PROBLEM. Instead they're content to hem and haw and waste time, money and lives trying to figure out a "politically correct" way to deal with the problem, which doesn't exist - certainly not on any sort of balanced budget. As usual, gov't can't get out of its own way.

Sometimes vigilante justice is still justice.

[m21sniper]

About the sex offenders....it is, and always has been, WAAAAAY too easy for an unprincipled woman to cry rape.

This is just my own gut feeling, but i bet about 25-30% of the guys in jail for 'sex crimes' didn't do a damn thing to deserve being sent to prison.

[widgeon13]

I just read the details of the article but I'm still puzzled how four officers could be gunned down, while the justice system failed grossly, did procedure failure also cause part of the tragic results to this very sad story.

[MichiganMat]

Heard about it yesterday. Incredibly sad.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

I just read the details of the article but I'm still puzzled how four officers could be gunned down, while the justice system failed grossly, did procedure failure also cause part of the tragic results to this very sad story.

If the article was correct the first two were at the original stop. If someone really wants to shoot an officer they can do it, though I'm not sure how he got both of them. I thought that SOP was to have one approach while the other stayed back.

As for the entry, one article said he was hiding in a closet and shot from there. In that case, just bad luck for the officers. Not sure what they can do about that...you enter a room to clear it and there is a closed closet. You can't just put a few rounds in there "just in case."

God speed to the officers. Impossible job.

[DavidI]

My heart goes out to the families of the murdered officers. It is a very sad day to be a cop.........Black bands again.....I think back on all the times this could have been me. It is very humbling, David

[Moses]

Originally Posted by DavidI

My heart goes out to the families of the murdered officers. It is a very sad day to be a cop.........Black bands again.....I think back on all the times this could have been me. It is very humbling, David

David, how can this dynamic be fixed? It's nearly impossible to police a population that seems to resent the effort.

Maybe an end to indeterminate sentencing? Maybe reserving prison for violent criminals so they can be incarcerated for longer periods? I don't know.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

I just read the details of the article but I'm still puzzled how four officers could be gunned down, while the justice system failed grossly, did procedure failure also cause part of the tragic results to this very sad story.

Assuming these cops were all wearing their body armor, my guess is as follows.....

The 2 at the traffic stop were both taken down with head shots with some sort of pistol.

The 3 SWAT cops in the apt.(2 killed, 1 wounded), i really don't know how the guy managed to kill 2 of them shooting blind through a door. These guys would typically have Class IV body armor and Kevlar helmets.

Those should both have stopped any typical "assault rifle" rounds that hit, and the B-guy obviously could not make deliberate head shots through an opaque barrier, so the cops were either extremely unlucky, the guy had a high powered rifle of at least .308 caliber (7.62 NATO) firing AP type rounds, or the story we've heard is somewhat less than accurate.

On the surface i would suspect this guy is ex combat arms and probably an Iraq/A-stan vet, but maybe not.

[m21sniper]

Originally Posted by Moses

David, how can this dynamic be fixed? It's nearly impossible to police a population that seems to resent the effort.

Maybe an end to indeterminate sentencing? Maybe reserving prison for violent criminals so they can be incarcerated for longer periods? I don't know.

I am no expert by any means, but my suggestion would be to decriminalize pot and minor possession (which would free up IMMENSE amounts of space in our jails) and then couple that with far harsher sentences for violent crimes.

There is a problem though from what i've read, in that DA's are often reluctant to "over charge" someone because they are less likely to get a conviction when there's a huge mandatory sentence. For this reason they often plea bargain people down just to get convictions.

As long as these people feel harassed though- and they sure as hell do- there will be this kind of enmity.

[DavidI]

Originally Posted by Moses

David, how can this dynamic be fixed? It's nearly impossible to police a population that seems to resent the effort.

Maybe an end to indeterminate sentencing? Maybe reserving prison for violent criminals so they can be incarcerated for longer periods? I don't know.

I think the only solution is parenting. As a general rule, I believe it is the result of a growing number of male children being raised by single females. A male teenager has to have a male role model to teach him the boundaries of accepted societal behavior.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by DavidI

A male teenager has to have a male role model to teach him the boundaries of accepted societal behavior.

A male role model *other* than some older gang banger...