Joe, I am with you in that Orr was a game changer perhaps the best defenseman to play the game because he changed the game and paved the way for guys to follow him. I was just plugging one of my all time favorite defenseman. I loved watching Mark Howe too. There was a season or two when Howe and Crossman played as a pair and were about the best tandem there was.

Time to read the book again :D:):D

I too have to go with Joe & trader. I can recall seeing him as a junior with the Oshawa Generals in a junior tournament in 1965 at the Edmonton Gardens (man I'm gettin' old). He was a mile & a half faster & better than most of the other guys save one player for the Niagara Falls Flyers - Derek Sanderson. Orr was the best I've ever seen in a class of some of the best players of the game I've had the privilege to witness.

Cheers
JB
I'm afraid my Canucks are coming up a little short in this truncated season, but youneverknow

...........doug harvey.......bobby orr
NHL GP..... 1113 ---------- 657
Goals........ 88 ------------ 270 :D
Points.......540 ----------- 915 :D
PIM........ 1216 :eek: -------- 953

I'm seeing half the number of games and 3 times the goals and almost twice the points. Harvey definitely had more PIMs in an era when a lot of stuff wasn't penalized but the % to the number of games still comes up with Orr as the better player.
Orr:
Records
Most points in one NHL season by a defenceman (139; 1970–71)
Most assists in one NHL season by a defenceman (102; 1970–71).
Highest plus/minus in one NHL season (+124; 1970–71)
Tied for most assists in one NHL game by a defenceman (6; tied with Babe Pratt, Pat Stapleton, Ron Stackhouse, Paul Coffey and Gary Suter)
Only player in history to win four major NHL awards in one season (Hart, Norris, Art Ross, and Conn Smythe in 1970), as well as only player to win the Norris and Art Ross in the same season more than once.
Records since surpassed
Held record for most assists in one NHL season from 1970 to 1981 (87 in 1969–70), which he surpassed in 1970–71 with 102; broken by Wayne Gretzky and also bettered by Mario Lemieux)
Held record for most goals in one NHL season by a defenceman from 1968 to 1986 (21, in 1967–68, 37 in 1970–71, broke own record in 1974–75 with 46; broken in 1985–86 by Paul Coffey with 48)
Held record for most points by a defenceman in one game from 1973 until 1977 (7 (3 goals/4 assists) in game November 15, 1973)
Held record for longest consecutive point-scoring streak by a defenceman from 1971 until 1984 ( 15 games, set in 1970–71 and 1973–74)
Held record for career goal-scoring by a defenceman (270) until surpassed by Denis Potvin in 1987.
Held record for most consecutive 100-or-more point seasons from 1974 until 1980 ( 6, from 1969–70 until 1974–75)
Held record for career plus-minus rating from 1978 until 1985 (+597)
Held record for most assists in a season by any player from 1971 until 1981 (102)

Besides all that, he wore the black and gold!

You asked who had a similar skill set. Harvey did. Orr was better.

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Besides all that, he wore the black and gold!

Nobody said he was perfect--LOL

Love the Penguins moves this week :D . Getting three quality, character players. One right out from under the Brunes ;)

I'm not sure why they needed the last move. I knew they had room under the cap when Staal left and they didn't sign anyone. It's all well as long as they win the cup. Anything less and this is a waste of young talent. Apparently they all want to play for the Pens.:D

Yeah, seems some years these moves ruin chemistry others it works. I just have a feeling this is a 'working' year!!

This will be Iggy's last & best chance to get the one thing missing from his body of work - The Cup. Good luck to Jarome
Cheers
JB

Maybe his season will end Bourque-esk. I remember watching him play for the Flames, excellent, classy player. Would be nice watching him raise the cup. I wouldn't say the last. The Pens are built for the now but they are also young. He has a couple years left I'm sure. Maybe raise it twice :D

Only a true jerk would do what he is alleged to have done.

A little uninformed here. What are you talking about?

Amen, Brother! Still love 'em, though. They have never broken my heart like the Eagles did by letting Brian Dawkins walk.

He agreed to be traded to one of four teams. The Flames agreed to a deal with the Bruins. Iginla changed his mind after the deal was made, and refused to go to the Bruins.

That's why TSN announced the deal to the Bruins.

I have no problem with him controlling where he gets traded to, but once he put the Bruins on his list he was obligated to accept the trade.

Bad on the Flames for not getting his agreement in writing (assuming they didn't) and bad on the Flames for not being honest about what Iginla did to them.

So the Flames look like idiots, they screw Boston over, and likely had to accept an inferior trade.

He had a no trade clause and had first dibs on what terms and who he wanted to go to. He must of really wanted to come here because I don't think he was even in their immediate plans. As far as what went down immediately before the trade, thats all hearsay and sour grapes. I've heard he's one of the most genuinely nicest guys in hockey.

And I've heard the opposite. From someone that coached him in the NHL. Regardless, he should help the Penguins.

Yes, he had a no trade clause, which he waived by giving the Flames a list of four teams he would go to. Two of which were the Penguins and the Bruins.

It's not hearsay when Ken King explains what happened and the Bruins story matches up perfectly. I believe he agreed to go to the Bruins then backed out.

Why would he choose to go to the Pens when he could have played for an "Original 6"? No accounting for taste.

Ummm... He wants to win?? :confused:

Coming from Philly, I look on the Pens about the same way I look on the Dallas Cowboys. So perhaps I am a bit biased.