Educate me on VW's

[javadog]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Any of them with the 1.8t, 2.0t, or 2.7t can make significantly more power with an ECU flash or other upgrades.

Personally, I can't stand the 1.8 and 2.0 turbos. I'd suggest sticking to something that has the VW VR6 or Audi V6. Too many reasons to list here.

If I start recommending Audis, the anti-Audi crowd will start bleating like sheep, so maybe stick to a VW, further excluding everything that wasn't built in the last 10 years.

JR

[FastCarFan]

Originally Posted by javadog

'04 Golf R32.

JR

Still love my 2004 R32 daily-driver at 131k miles.

[Hydrocket]

If you own a Porsche, isn't that a VW technically??

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by javadog

Personally, I can't stand the 1.8 and 2.0 turbos. I'd suggest sticking to something that has the VW VR6 or Audi V6. Too many reasons to list here.

If I start recommending Audis, the anti-Audi crowd will start bleating like sheep, so maybe stick to a VW, further excluding everything that wasn't built in the last 10 years.

JR

Interesting, I had a 1.8t A4 and have driven a number of 2.0t VWs, I really liked them both. I know they both have a few issues, but they can give a great mix of mpg and power.

I suppose I'm somewhat of an Audi convert, and love my S8. But there are some that I wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole. I always liked the 2.7tt Allroad with a 6-speed manual, but I don't think I could afford to own it.

[javadog]

Drive something with a VR6. In comparison, the 4 cylinder turbos are coarse and unrefined, with a lousy powerband. Nothing much down low, then too big a hit as the turbo gets going. The VR6 has a silky smooth feel, it sounds like a baby Ferrari and it has a nice, even powerband. It's a great motor.

I used to own an S4 with the 2.7 turbo motor. Had exactly zero problems with it, so not all of those were a maintenance nightmare. I sometimes think the people that have problems with Audis just have bad karma, probably from whining about their cars.

JR

[Tim Hancock]

Originally Posted by javadog

I sometimes think the people that have problems with Audis just have bad karma, probably from whining about their cars.

JR

Well you baited me in...... Yep, I must just have bad karma.

I grew up riding in then later driving air-cooled VW's. I really wanted to like the Audis and watercooled VW's but my experience with the high mileage 2.7t and my daughter's high mileage New Beetle have tainted me for life. I cannot comment on anything newer than 2000, but I hold a grudge as well as anyone can and I won't be spending "my" money on used high mileage Audis or watercooled VW's any time soon (same goes for Dodge).

Rant over.... carry on with the VW/Audi love fest.

[javadog]

I didn't have to wait long, did I?



JR

[onewhippedpuppy]

I was thinking of Tim when I made the comment regarding the 2.7tt Audis. Personally I think they are good cars if nothing goes wrong, but a nightmare if heavy repair is required (as Tim experienced). Just from poking around on them, everything is so tightly packaged that most repair requires significant dis-assembly. That was one of the reasons that I purchased the S8, it has plenty of room for easy engine repair and maintenance.

[FastCarFan]

Originally Posted by javadog

Drive something with a VR6. In comparison, the 4 cylinder turbos are coarse and unrefined, with a lousy powerband. Nothing much down low, then too big a hit as the turbo gets going. The VR6 has a silky smooth feel, it sounds like a baby Ferrari and it has a nice, even powerband. It's a great motor.

I used to own an S4 with the 2.7 turbo motor. Had exactly zero problems with it, so not all of those were a maintenance nightmare. I sometimes think the people that have problems with Audis just have bad karma, probably from whining about their cars.

JR

I have very little experience with the VW turbos, but I completely agree about the 3.2 VR6 - it pulls well throughout the rev-range, sounds fantastic & is a wonderful engine. I should add that at 131k miles I have had no problems whatsoever with the engine in my 2004 R32 & it is as strong as it has ever been.

[RWebb]

Audi, VW, and then the high end Benz unreliability thread (560?)...

the real question is: what is wrong with many German Car Makers when the japanese knock out reliable car all day and all night??

[porsche4life]

I didn't have to wait long, did I?







JR

Never do when you use such potent bait!