F1 Singapore

[Henry Schmidt]

Originally Posted by legion

I'm convinced that the Red Bulls have traction control or something else that no one else on the grid has. I also would be surprised if Vettel has better equipment than Webber. (Remember a few years ago when they routinely took parts off of Webber's car and gave them to Vettel?) It also seems like Webber's car is made out of Vettel's used parts. How else can his car always have mechanical issues while Vettel's rarely does?

Vettel is a great driver and one thing that makes a great driver is the ability to get the most out of your car/equipment/tires without breaking it.. If you do some research you'll find that Weber was breaking transmissions before Vettel ever drove a Red Bull.
BTW: RB has a huge budget that allows them to build two of the best cars on the grid. They want the most points possible because the constructors championship is paramount. If one breaks or consistently gets poor starts, you should start looking at the driver.

[jyl]

But Webber is consistently making poor starts.

Originally Posted by legion

I'm convinced that the Red Bulls have traction control or something else that no one else on the grid has. I also would be surprised if Vettel has better equipment than Webber. (Remember a few years ago when they routinely took parts off of Webber's car and gave them to Vettel?) It also seems like Webber's car is made out of Vettel's used parts. How else can his car always have mechanical issues while Vettel's rarely does?

[javadog]

How does Webber break a gearbox, when all he's doing is telling it when to shift, via an electrical switch? Not like the old days.... and he started in F1 5 years after the last of the manually shifted gearboxes was put on the shelf. Maybe he was hard on Formula Fords in his younger days...

It does seem like Vettel has better luck with his equipment. There have been quite a few failures that were not a result of anything the driver did. And, quite a few of Webber's poor starts have nothing to do with Webber.

I don't think though, that Red Bull gives him second rate cars, although Vettel usually gets the good stuff first, if there's not enough parts for both. Can't say I'd do anything different, as Vettel's the better driver.

I really wish Newey would retire...

JR

[rob justice]

There's a couple of hours I won't get back.

[Amail]

Originally Posted by javadog

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I really wish Newey would retire...

JR

I wish other teams could find their own Neweys! Yeah, it sucks having Newey cars continually mop the floor with everyone else, but the answer isn't "get rid of the genius".

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by Amail

I wish other teams could find their own Neweys! Yeah, it sucks having Newey cars continually mop the floor with everyone else, but the answer isn't "get rid of the genius".

I agree. However, it's BORING. Somebody needs to step up. I'm sure most of the world by now has gotten bored of the one man show.

[bell]

Boring? Please..........
There's always allot more going on than who's in first........
You guys who say its a snooze fest should probably find something else to watch....

[andyt11]

Yeah, I thought it was a great race from 3rd down to about 12th. Lots of stuff going on towards the end.

[5String43]

Yeah, boring. I agree with that. Sure, there was a lot more going on back in the pack than just Vettel romping off into the distance. But winning by that big a margin just takes the fun out of the race. Seems to me the other teams need to be asking themselves some hard questions about their own designs and designers. Clearly Newey has found something that nobody else has discovered - the rest of the teams aren't even on the same planet.

For Ferrari still to have not properly calibrated its wind tunnel, which is part of what's going on with that team - well, that's just unexplainable. Montezemola can go crazy and criticize people all he wants, but until he gets someone running that team who can turn it around, the tiffosi are going to continue to deal with disappointment.

And who can explain what's happening at McLaren? Why can they not field a competitive car? Same thing happened last year, but at least by the end of the year, they'd tuned the thing into a race-winner. This year they're just getting their hats handed to them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, tires. I know. Red Bull and Lotus seem to have the tires figured out, though.

All in all, it's very disappointing. It's to the point where I would much rather watch Australian V-8 Supercars.

[450knotOffice]

Originally Posted by bell

Boring? Please..........
There's always allot more going on than who's in first........
You guys who say its a snooze fest should probably find something else to watch....

Uh, sorry, that BS. Who the heck watches a race to see who's scrapping mid pack? Yea, the mid pack skirmishes are fun to watch, but that's not the point of watching the race.

[andyt11]

Mclaren spent a good while in the second half running round in the top 6 I thought. Strategy didn't quite work though and they couldn't last. They were not awful this weekend.

[Amail]

Originally Posted by 450knotOffice

Uh, sorry, that BS. Who the heck watches a race to see who's scrapping mid pack? Yea, the mid pack skirmishes are fun to watch, but that's not the point of watching the race.

QFT. Exciting races are the ones where the winner isn't a foregone conclusion from lap 2. Canada 2011 (?) where Button won from last place on the grid to swipe it from Vettel on the last lap. Absolutely brilliant, exciting stuff. I'd have never noticed if he moved from last to claim fifth.

[Flieger]

Maybe they need to have a tire war again.

Personally, I like seeing which technologies win so when the F1 cars are all regulated to be more or less the same configuration I get bored. When someone comes up with something and blows everyone away it interests me. When they are all in the same cars it becomes indy car and I loose interest no matter how much passing there is. I've been somewhat confused with the recent seasons with all the gadgets they have and all the tire stuff and drs and kers and such. I want to see just how gosh darn fast it is possible to go around a track.

I like watching Le Mans because of the different technologies. F1 next year should also be interesting.

[jyl]

When someone comes up with something and blows everyone away it interests me

That's pretty much 2013

[Flieger]

Originally Posted by jyl

That's pretty much 2013

I should ammend that to say- when it is clear what that device is it interests me.

Coanda effect exhausts are a little more subtle than a 6 wheel car, twin chassis, or sucker car.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

F1 racing is too complicated for most average Joe's to understand and enjoy. I don't mean that in a condescending way, it just the nature of the beast and what it has evolved into.

F1 is basically a technology and politcal war within a very retricted set of rules so some of the performance features that make one car faster than another are completely lost to the viewers and even some of the other teams too. The level of detail involved in every aspect of designing, building and running of 2 cars is insane and has more in common with a Nasa space launch than any other form of wheeled motorsport.

The tools, analysis, methods, computing power, software etc available today in F1 makes 10yrs ago look like the dark ages. Where it will be in another years time is anyones guess.

The rule makers and teams do a lot of work together behind the scenes to try and make the show better but the whole thing has got so complicated it is very hard to make any meaningful high visibility changes.

A tyre war would just create more problems than it would solve and more than likely create a one horse race led by which ever team had the most influence with the best tyre manufacturer.

Making the cars unlimited no rules would again make it a one horse race until the top teams had all diverged to a single car concept package or become bankrupt trying. This would never happen as every track would need to be rebuilt to safely accommodate faster cars.

Rule stability is by far the most economical and longterm choice as the difference between each car would be eroded to very little over time which would create ever closer racing with drivers making the difference. Only so many ways to reinvent the wheel. Again this doesn't fit in the whole world leading technology marketing image the car and engine makers want from F1.

Introducing new technology or should I say improved technology as over the years its all been done before and there is nothing new out there is probably the only viable way left to try and create some parity without turning it into a one make series.

[cairns]

Well I'm sure watching Kimi and the Spanish diva next year will be exciting......

I too am tired of the Vettel Show (as I call it). Mid pack stuff is great but I agree that isn't what you watch it for.

[motion]

I get tired of watching Vettel gap the field in one lap and runaway, too, but in the same vein, I loved watching Schumacher do the same thing in a red car. These things happen in Formula 1 and will come to an end. Remember when the 2 Mclaren's lapped the entire field in the opening race back in 00 or so? RB can't keep this up forever... the other teams will figure things out.

But this is what really chaps my a$$ and I hope we never see: I was watching the Aussie ONE broadcast of Singapore and one of the idiot commentators was actually excited to see the safety car, because it would bunch up the field again. What a tool. We should be so thankful that we have a more pure form of racing to enjoy than the other series out there.