Pats already accused of cheating!

[Lapkritis]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

Just two questions.

Were 11 of the 12 balls that the Pats used during the Championship game under-inflated when tested?

No. The question is incorrect. More than 12 balls were used by the Pats.

Originally Posted by Eric 951

Is using an under-inflated game ball considered cheating per the current NFL rules?

No, not always. Knowingly using one is. Balls lose pressure all the time during normal play and use; given not 11 at once unless they were as Neil De Grass Tyson states - they were using 125F air to fill them. Is there a rule against filling with hot air? If there isn't then you can safely assume they would use that to their advantage and that's not cheating.

Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ryan Leaf Chime In With DeflateGate Hot Takes | New England Patriots | NESN.com

[Z-man]

Saying that your NFL football team never cheats and are just misunderstood is like saying your politician is not corrupt.

All politicians are corrupt. All NFL teams try to get away with as much as they can get away with.

There is not a single NFL team that try to expoit the rules to their advantage and step over the line once in a while. I will say this about the Pats: they aren't good cheaters -- good cheaters don't get caught as much as the Pats do!

-Z

[Lapkritis]

So the Colts and Ravens must be the worst cheaters in the league then?

[Eric 951]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

So the Colts and Ravens must be the worst cheaters in the league then?

I would rank them as follows:
1. Pats
2. Every other team (tie)

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Eric 951

Pats and Colts balls were examined during half-time of their Championship game 11 of 12 under-inflated for Pats 0 of 12 underinflated for Colts

See that's the interesting part of this. If weather caused 11 of 12 footballs from the Patriots to deflate, was it a fluke that none of the Colts balls did the same?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

No. The question is incorrect. More than 12 balls were used by the Pats.


No, not always. Knowingly using one is. Balls lose pressure all the time during normal play and use; given not 11 at once unless they were as Neil De Grass Tyson states - they were using 125F air to fill them. Is there a rule against filling with hot air? If there isn't then you can safely assume they would use that to their advantage and that's not cheating.

Neil deGrasse Tyson, Ryan Leaf Chime In With DeflateGate Hot Takes | New England Patriots | NESN.com

See my post above. The air going into the balls was indeed well over 125F. The delta T required for the balls to drop to 10.5 psig @ 52F was around 40 degrees. This means that the INTERNAL temp of the ball only needed to be 90-95F for a 2 psi drop.

The more underinflated a ball started out, the higher the internal ball temp, and then more likely the ball to drop in temp.

Finally - If the picture I presented above is fairly standard for the NFL game officials filling balls, they are NOT using precision pumps and gauges. There is no way that gauges (car tire pressure gauges!) are better than 0.5 psi in precision, let alone accuracy. They are not checked against a standard. So they could have been pressurized, and then checked with a different gauge and the pressure readings would have been different.

This is a distraction.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by cabmando

See that's the interesting part of this. If weather caused 11 of 12 footballs from the Patriots to deflate, was it a fluke that none of the Colts balls did the same?

Were they checked?

[speeder]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Were they checked?

No.

[red-beard]

I bet if the Colts balls were checked (boy did that sound bad), they would have shown similar problems.

[Porsche-O-Phile]

The ghey in this thread is getting stronger.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

Would they be talking about the balls if they weren't losers? Think about it.

So you like them because they are better at cheating?

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

No. The question is incorrect. More than 12 balls were used by the Pats.

Okay the 12 balls that they used for playing offense, rather than the ones that are kicking.

You argue like dipso, done with you.

[BE911SC]

If you're a Pats fan then no harm, no foul. If you're not a Pats fan then harm, foul.

[Lapkritis]

Originally Posted by Tobra

So you like them because they are better at cheating?

You're buying the smear campaign. Get your buttocks off your shoulders.

Originally Posted by Tobra

Okay the 12 balls that they used for playing offense, rather than the ones that are kicking.

Again, no... you're not fully understanding the facts here. The 12 balls were removed from play at halftime. The entire second half was played with a different set of balls. They played with more than 12 balls and I don't mean the kicking game balls. Comprende?

[stomachmonkey]

Everyone is focusing on Brady but maybe it was a running back?

Patriots Fumble at a

Or maybe the Patriots are simply a better coached team.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

You're buying the smear campaign. Get your buttocks off your shoulders.



Again, no... you're not fully understanding the facts here. The 12 balls were removed from play at halftime. The entire second half was played with a different set of balls. They played with more than 12 balls and I don't mean the kicking game balls. Comprende?

Not saying you're wrong but according to the reports I read, the same balls were inflated to the proper psi and they were used in the second half. There are additional balls submitted for use but are only used in the event a ball is damaged or lost (tossed into the stands) But from what i have read, the 12 balls that were submitted were inflated to the recommended PSI range and used in the second half.

"ESPN Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City reported that the Patriots footballs were tested during halftme, re-inflated after when they were found to be under-inflated, then the balls put back in play for the second half and then tested again after the game. "

[Lapkritis]

Sounds like a lot of junk info out there being spread (part of a smear). Here, the Patriots were using the Colts footballs before the half. So still more than 12... D’Qwell Jackson: Patriots Were Using Colts Footballs At End Of First Half | New England Patriots | NESN.com

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Sad that the Haterade drinkers out there are making such an issue of this. It's taking away from what really could be an awesome Super Bowl. There's a lot of potential for this one to be great but the haters are so blinded by it they can't see anything else.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Lapkritis

Sounds like a lot of junk info out there being spread (part of a smear). Here, the Patriots were using the Colts footballs before the half. So still more than 12... D’Qwell Jackson: Patriots Were Using Colts Footballs At End Of First Half | New England Patriots | NESN.com

If you read the link, it states Jackson said the Pats were using a Colts football near the end of the half because the refs couldn't find a useable football after the t.v. timeout. Jackson himself admits he thought it was strange the refs couldn't find a Patriots ball suitable for use.

[cabmandone]

From reading more on this, it sounds like once the Patriots lose possession of the ball either by turnover, punt or whatever, the Colts would put one of the twelve they submitted into play.

This would also seem to say that the balls the Colts were using were acceptable for play thereby validating the claim that none of their footballs failed inspection.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Sad that the Haterade drinkers out there are making such an issue of this. It's taking away from what really could be an awesome Super Bowl. There's a lot of potential for this one to be great but the haters are so blinded by it they can't see anything else.

I would hope you don't think I'm a "hater" of the Patriots because I personally think they are one hell of a good football team. I think they have a tremendously talented roster and have arguably one of the best coaching staffs in the game today. I just don't understand why a team with the talent they have would break the rules to gain an edge that in most cases they really don't need.