Benelli > Remington

[vash]

i think i am gonna BEG my wife to buy a Benelli Super Eagle.. BEEEGGGG!

i actually just got off the phone with Remington. he said my 11-87 magazine plug is designed for 2.75" shells, and in order to shoot the 3" shells, i need to either cut my plug or make a new plug (i'm thinking a chopstick). i have read all the hunting regulations. it states clearly, that my shotgun shall not fit more that 3 shots..so if i trim my plug to carry three 3-inch shells..will it be illegal? since it might fit excessive 2.75" shells? i am 90% sure that my brother never has to dick around with dremel cutting gun parts to load different shell sizes on his Benelli.

the Remington guy didnt know how much to trim..he said, trim a little at a time. haha..someone there has to have jotted down that number on a post it note at some time.

[legion]

Well, if the plug is designed for two in the magazine at 2.75", and you want two in the magazine to hold two 3" shells, I would say that you need to trim a half an inch from the plug. The plugs are cheap and easy to get (around here).

[vash]

math..

dont mess up my new benelli..

yea, i am starting with a half inch.

[legion]

My Remington 870 cam with a plug with a section that I can unscrew. I don't hunt, so I've never used the plug. I can send it to you if you mess up the 11-87 plug.

[Tobra]

Just got this months issue with that on the cover.

[aigel]

My 870 started rusting in the Bay Area salt hunts. And pumping really pulls you off target in the follow up shots (I mean shooting several birds, right? ).

I found a used SBE2 in camo, which is all coated, on calguns, traded a .22 pistol I never shot and a couple hundred bucks. I have been putting the HURT on the birds with this gun. I found that I don't need the 3.5" capability (shooting 3" cheap ammo). You need to go for it. The SBE2 is deadly reliable. I have had exactly 0 feeding issues. It has gone bang every time in about 1500 rounds. Cold, wet, salty etc. Keep an eye out - they do come up used every now and then. Best in the off season ...

Edit: They come up used when someone dies. I don't see any other reason someone would sell a SBE2.

G

[John Rogers]

Wow, there is something that really causes arguments about which is better! A couple months ago during my RO duty day I went to the trap and skeet range to see who was shooting and how well and with what. Usually there is this blond lady who whips up on everybody and she uses a Benelli. On this day a fairly old guy with a double barrel 12 gauge with hammers even, was there and shot perfect scores for each setup! One of the match directors told me he comes out every 2 or 3 years and as far as he knows has never lost!

[vash]

if i can find some Invector IMP CYL chokes for my Citori..i am shooting my double at these birds. i swing that shotgun with familiarity..

that way i can take one gun on this trip. cranes and quail. i'll have it covered.

i dont love the 11-87. it kills turkeys fine..but seriously..a turkey is a very easy target.

[Jeff Higgins]

Oh, I'm sure it is absolutely illegal to alter the plug in your existing shotgun. Likely jail time at the least, up to loss of your truck as well. Not to mention your tarnished reputation and her subsequent embarrassment. You just need to make your wife understand game laws, and the deeper moral implications of all of this. Then she will fully understand the need for this new, legal, Benelli. In the end, she will thank you for buying it.

Let us know how that works...

[craigster59]

^^^^^ The voice of reason....

[aigel]

I just read the plug question ...

CAREFUL: Your gun is not to hold more than 3 shells INCLUDING what is chambered. So, the magazine needs to only hold 2 shells.

If it has a plug for 2.75" now, that will allow 5.5 inches worth of shells to load. If you want to load 3" shells on your upcoming trip, you will need 6 inches worth of room.

Since 6:3 is 2", you are sure you will not be able to fit 3x2.75 shells.
Even if you have a gun that holds 3.5:

7" room to load 3.5" shells
7:3=2.34"

So, a plug in my SBE2 to limit to 2 shells of 3.5 will limit all other shells down to 2.75. AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A BENELLI!

G

[id10t]

All you poor Remington users, if you would just enjoy a Mossberg....

And a pump messing up follow up shots? I've shot several perfect rounds of skeet with my Mossy 500 and 28" barrel cut down to 19" w/ no choke

Worked good on quail and dove when I had a place to go, no desire to get wet and nasty at the crack of dawn going after ducks....

[id10t]

Originally Posted by aigel

I just read the plug question ...

CAREFUL: Your gun is not to hold more than 3 shells INCLUDING what is chambered. So, the magazine needs to only hold 2 shells.

If it has a plug for 2.75" now, that will allow 5.5 inches worth of shells to load. If you want to load 3" shells on your upcoming trip, you will need 6 inches worth of room.

Since 6:3 is 2", you are sure you will not be able to fit 3x2.75 shells.
Even if you have a gun that holds 3.5:

7" room to load 3.5" shells
7:3=2.34"

So, a plug in my SBE2 to limit to 2 shells of 3.5 will limit all other shells down to 2.75. AND THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A BENELLI!

G

Except the length listed for a shotgun shell (2", 2 3/4", 3" etc) is FIRED length - the star crimp has to have a place to expand to, etc.

So yes, removing 1/2" will do. No further math needed, although you could go for 3/4" and be good. Just check it.


This does bring up something though - What ammo do the critter cops use to measure? You could theoretically go for the Aguila 1 3/4" mini-shells - if you have a 3 1/2" chambered goose gun, set up to hold 2 3.5" shells in teh mag, you could possibly get 3 of the minis in there.

One of my former students is a f&g officer here in Fl. - maybe I should drop him a mail. But I'll bet the reply will be "depends on what ammo you are in possession of, and how much of a d*ck the warden wants to be"

[cabmandone]

If the gun takes 3" you should be fine with a gun with a plug setup for 3" rounds. I'd call your DNR and get their take though.
Id10t,
Mossberg 500 shooter here as well. Have a nephew who won a few turkey shoots at the local gun club against Benelli and Remington skeet guns. Should have seen the looks on the faces of the owners.

[Bill Douglas]

This is Benny Benelli. It has a Benelli brand magazine extention and I can fire 10 shots out of it. Legally around here you are only allowed 7 shots in the magazine but if I use 2.75" rounds I can fit 8 in the magazine, one in the chamber and ghost load the 10th round. Haha, I'm so fast on the trigger it sounds like full auto.

[aigel]

I didn't know it was expanded length! I never measured a shell. The math will still hold true, I'd imagine.

Both fed as well as state wardens here carry a marked up rubber hose. They shove that in the shotgun magazine tube to measure if you can hold too many. In the past they would ask you for a few rounds of the ammo you use but have apparently dropped that - they told me they don't want to drop your $3/round shell in the mud and fiddle with guns and ammo with their "customers".

I never felt the need to touch off more than 3 at a time. By the 4th round I am sure you mostly blow up $ and no more ducks.

G

[aigel]

Originally Posted by id10t

And a pump messing up follow up shots? I've shot several perfect rounds of skeet with my Mossy 500 and 28" barrel cut down to 19" w/ no choke

Worked good on quail and dove when I had a place to go, no desire to get wet and nasty at the crack of dawn going after ducks....

Have you compared to an auto coming from a pump? I shot as good as most my buddies duck hunting with my pump. But with the auto, I now shoot better than most of them who all shoot autos.

Here in CA we hunt in Tshirts this time of the year. And i often go for a late afternoon hunt and skip the morning.

G

[berettafan]

FYI cabalas was just advertising a special edition sbe for 1299 iirc. My understanding is in benelli speak special edition means no plastic case and only one choke tube.




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[id10t]

Originally Posted by aigel

Have you compared to an auto coming from a pump? I shot as good as most my buddies duck hunting with my pump. But with the auto, I now shoot better than most of them who all shoot autos.

Here in CA we hunt in Tshirts this time of the year. And i often go for a late afternoon hunt and skip the morning.

G

Learned to shoot skeet and trap using a Remington 1100. Aside from being double the cost of the Mossberg, and a little softer recoil, I couldn't see any advantage. Could see quite a few disadvantages.... after all the military chose the Mossy 590a1 as the issue shotgun. The difference is the steel vs. aluminum receiver, length of mag tube, and position of barrel nut on the barrel (due to length of mag tube).

I've seen quite a few semi shooters w/ issues on the skeet fields - about a "friendly" environment as you are gonna get for a shotgun to be used in....


Of course, even faster for a second shot than the autos are the O/U and SxS doubles - gotta say that I've seen a Weatherby O/U with a recoil-reset trigger "jam" when using light loads and bad reloads (ie, primer, half powder or primer and no powder)

[Bill Douglas]

Originally Posted by berettafan

and only one choke tube.

I've only used one of the four chokes tubes supplied, modified cylinder I think.