Att all people hurt by MotorMeister

[thinkfloyd14]

Originally posted by David E. Clark
Do you have a local newspaper/TV reporter in your area that specializes in resolving consumer complaints? Or perhaps a student at the local high school who's looking for a writing assignment for the student newspaper that would make a good resume' stuffer on college applications? If so, maybe you could discuss some of these complaints with them and suggest that they conduct an "investigative report" to look into these rip offs. That sort of thing often gets a businesses' attention!

Maybe this would work or have any effect, but I doubt it. I could try to notify someone in city hall.

Hasn't anyone sued MotorMeister before, wouldn't you think it would be just easy to sue them, I mean people get away with sueing McDonalds for their coffee being too hot.

I'm sure I would get a lawyer involved, but I haven't dealt with MM personally so I wouldn't have any reason.

[Sonic dB]

class action lawsuit. there are companies/law firms out there that can help you organize and implement this. id suggest that you do it, it sounds as if you have a good shot at restitution.

[long board]

According to the Bureau of Auto Repair in CA, there are no open complaints.

BUREAU OF AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR

Licensee Name: MOTOR MEISTER INC
License Type: Automobile Repair Dealer
License Number: AL197177
License Status: Valid Definition
Expiration Date: November 30, 2007
Licensed Year: 1997
Address: 12262 WOODRUFF AVE
City: DOWNEY
State: CA
Zip: 90241-0000
County: LOS ANGELES
Actions: No

Business Owners
MARKS JERRY L-SECTY/TRES
MARKS LOLA HENRIETTA

Related Licenses/Registrations/Permits
No records returned

Disciplinary Actions
No records returned

[bigchillcar]

lol...$$$ under the table to the bureau.

[Formerly Steve Wilkinson]

I don't think Milt was off base with what he posted. It's not a joke to offer to commit arson, even if you're kidding. Guy who posted it would be in a scheissload of trouble of MM happened to accidentally burn down tomorrow night, too.

[David E. Clark]

Originally posted by Formerly Steve Wilkinson
I don't think Milt was off base with what he posted. It's not a joke to offer to commit arson, even if you're kidding. Guy who posted it would be in a scheissload of trouble of MM happened to accidentally burn down tomorrow night, too.

Steve's right. In this post 911 world, this isn't funny anymore. Just one of many examples:

"Man arrested at jetport after grenade joke
By David Hench, Portland Press Herald Staff Writer
A 76-year-old New York man who joked about having hand grenades on his luggage at the Portland Jetport was arrested on charges of terrorizing.

Richard Frey was checking in at the Jet Blue counter at 5:40 p.m. Monday when he told the ticket agent that he had two hand grenades in his checked baggage, police said. The agent called police who searched the bag but found nothing. The man told police the comment was intended to be funny.

Police charged Frey with terrorizing and he was taken to the Cumberland County Jail, missing his flight. He was released at 10 p.m. after posting $1,000 bail, police said."

[Zeke]

Originally posted by thinkfloyd14
someone needs to take a chill pill, that wasn't the point at all.

Then I guess you'll have to clue me. Gasoline, cigarette, 3 AM. Just what were you saying?

Like this part: "I live less than 5 minutes away from MotorMeister. If anyone needs anything that requires personal confrontation..."

Yes, that's real vague to me.

Originally posted by Formerly Steve Wilkinson
I don't think Milt was off base with what he posted. It's not a joke to offer to commit arson, even if you're kidding. Guy who posted it would be in a scheissload of trouble of MM happened to accidentally burn down tomorrow night, too.

Thank you.

[long board]

Excuse me for being a fuddy duddy, but may we stay on point? I am facing the loss $1,000's & $1,000's of dollars for work that I paid for and for work I will need to have redone. I could use as much advice, thoughts, opinions, ideas, as possible that would help me take the proper path of action. Thanks

[thinkfloyd14]

Originally posted by long board
Excuse me for being a fuddy duddy, but may we stay on point? I am facing the loss $1,000's & $1,000's of dollars for work that I paid for and for work I will need to have redone. I could use as much advice, thoughts, opinions, ideas, as possible that would help me take the proper path of action. Thanks

If I were you I would call a lawyer and see what can be done.
That would be the first step, after that if the lawyer agrees, he'll help you step by step. That's what they're there for.

Good Luck

[Zeke]

Originally posted by long board
Excuse me for being a fuddy duddy, but may we stay on point? I am facing the loss $1,000's & $1,000's of dollars for work that I paid for and for work I will need to have redone. I could use as much advice, thoughts, opinions, ideas, as possible that would help me take the proper path of action. Thanks

Point taken and it's my fault.

You're gonna have to do the routine, which is file a
Consumers Affairs complaint with the Bureau of Auto Repair and start an investigation on YOUR behalf. Hearsay and a buck will buy coffee only. With the BAR reporting in favor of you, a small claims court case should be a slam dunk. The new laws allow you to file in your jurisdiction. So, they either come to your town or default. Max is $7500.

Then, you have to collect the judgment. I did some research and apparently CA auto repair shops don't have to have a bond as required in some states. If they did, collecting a judgment is as simple as calling the bonding company.

Since that won't work here, you'll probably have to enlist some professional help at this point. BTW, if you win a SC court judgment, they can appeal. The matter moves to Superior Court where attorneys can represent the involved parties. This is when it gets expensive for you.

So, you proceed with your judgment in court to obtain a writ of execution and take that to the LA County Sheriff's office. As you can see, it's a long ass, involved process that few have the stamina for. Contractors and repair shops know this and use it to their advantage minimally complying when needed. The bulk of the cases are never completed.

I'm pretty sure at this point that MM works the laws of probability. That is to say some of the motors will fail and probably nothing will become of it other than a bunch of talk. I guess one probability hasn't occurred yet, and that is they haven't built a bad motor for a local attorney. Or maybe it has and they quickly settled.

Sounds like a well worked out business model for a person of no scruples.


One last thought. I initiated some PM's with thinkfloyd about my own comments. While I think he is wrong in posting what he did, I am not singling him out. I'm sure there are some other off-the-cuff remarks here in this thread that suggest less than the proper way to do business with a company like MM. I told him that my comments should in no way disuade him from coming out to any of the many Porsche events to meet many fine folks. He asked that I get off his back and that's what I'm doing and hoping he won't be worrying about what my opinion means to others that may, in turn, judge him.

[randywebb]

the process Milt is describing is usually called Garnishment. You gotta win first...

then, the Ct. might have a garnishment form - or legal forms store might have one. One key is to find out where they bank (ask them this during the case/trial). Then you garnish their bank account.

You can also put a lien on their real property (automatic in Oregon) - of course, if it it's polluted then that lien is worth less than zero.

usually, companies that treat their customers and suppliers badly will be the worst polluters (in any given industry segment).

[Zeke]

Here, Randy, I lifted this directly from the state website:

"There are a number of enforcement procedures that are available to help the judgment creditor enforce and collect the judgment. These include:

* Court orders that require the judgment debtor to appear in court to answer detailed questions about his or her income, bank accounts and property (Orders to Appear for Examination);
* Court orders requiring the judgment debtor to provide specific documents, such as bank account records or other financial statements (Subpenas Duces Tecum);
* Court orders requiring the judgment debtor to surrender cash to the judgment creditor or valuables and other personal property in his or her possession to a levying officer (turnover orders); and
* Court orders (Writs of Execution) authorizing a sheriff or marshal to obtain money directly from a judgment debtor's bank or other financial account (bank levies), from regular salary or wages (wage garnishments) or from a business's cash register or safe (keeper levies).

If the judgment debtor has real property (for example, a house, a lot, or a condo), the judgment creditor can tie up the property or sometimes force the sale of the property (Abstract of Judgment). Also, if the claim is based on a motor vehicle accident, the judgment creditor may be able to have the judgment debtor's driver's license suspended until the judgment is paid."

[randywebb]

Bingo.

Just make sure you win first...

I still think a sting with secretly marked parts is the way to go -- I wonder how many people they drive away from Porsche's every year??

[tfiv]

Doesn't the fact that they offer complete rebuilds for about the cost of a set of OE pistons and cylinders raise a red flag? You get what you pay for.

[long board]

I would be very interested in what others have done. Given all the bad press, comments, complaints, etc., who on this forum has resolved their problem with MM. What exactly happened. Or has everyone just gone somewhere else?

And yes, their pricing does raise a red flag, but some of us just don't have the money to go first class. That coupled with the fact that there are no official complaints, no known lawsuit resolutions, and no actual stories of unreslove, why pay $5,000 when you are supposed to get it for $3,000? I don't mean to raise a question, and I don't need it answered if it is a question, about decision making.

What experience is there? If they are so bad, who has done what?

[favrok01]

Well Since i started this post i will say in my experience this is the way it goes. I get contacted by a hurt party we swap contacts he takes his story to BUREAU OF AUTOMOTIVE REPAIR. get a lame report that doesn't show anything truly incriminating. spend 2 months in Court deliberation. best to sue him in your state just so MM has to get a out of town lawyer instead of his regular flunky. then after months of paper work and 4 gran more of Court fee's. the party drops out of contact. No sign no message of how the last Court meeting went nothing.

so in essence if you can invest 5 months of your time and another 4 to 5 grand MM will buy you out and buy your silence. you probably still lose about 2 grand after all is said and done but MM probably has it written if any slanderous things are heard after deliberation a conterlawsuit can ensue.

[favrok01]

As for the confrontational approach. Many have been arrested. as many people that go to court, that many lose it and storm the MM building with Physical destruction in mind. The police are called and thats the end of that.

I myself i like a unsuspecting scum taking out the garbage at night and a piano wire to the throat with a soft whisper of my name and why just as the wire meets the front of the spine and the light from the windows in the house my blood has paid for fades to oblivion.

a little quick for the scum but so much nicer..........................

[Chocaholic]

Yikes!

[bigchillcar]

put the 'goodfellas' dvd away..

[notfarnow]

So.... errr.... ahhhhh.....