WRX vs 911

[84Euro]

I recently detuned my 3.6 to pass state emissions (installed stock exhaust, cat and stock c2 chip)and have not got around to norming it up to what it was when I got it ( headers, Chip and no cat). I will soon due to the fact that on a clear, strait stretch of road yesterday I almost got out run by a Subaru WRX. I do know the extent of mods to the WRX but it was not stock in appearance. It started at a roll and went up to the triple digits. He stayed within a car length until I lifted (I know that he was on it because I could here the turbo spooling up as it was going through the gears). He kept going. I do not normally participate in "speed competitions" but the conditions were good with little to no risk and I was not going to let that rice burner take a the 911. Anyone know the performance numbers on the WRX's or had any experience with them?

[WydRyd]

Tuned WRX's can be very potent pocket rockets and will eat most older NA 911's without a doubt, even bone stock 930's would have trouble keeping up because of the lag factor.

[spencejm]

I have a Forester XT which is a 2.5L flat four with a turbo. I've never had it on the drag strip but a friend with an identical car ran his at KCI and I've seen the slip. It was 13.89. That is totally stock. The 2006 WRX has the same engine with a bit larger turbo. The older WRXs had a 2.0L and actually made more HP than my Forester but had quite a bit more lag. Of course that's not an issue at triple digits. I have out run a newer V8 Trans-AM from a stop light with my Forester. That must have hurt, getting beat by a station wagon!

Joe
Columbia, MO
82 911SC Targa (Fun)
04 Forester XT (Fast)

[Ohio911]

Them WRX STI cars haul ass!!!! Mucho respect for Subaru on this one. Don't get me wrong, I would still choose my 911 over a WRX anyday. Even though I know it would smoke my 3.2 911 with ease. I think the WRX appeals to a younger crowd. And while we are bragging about smoking people with our station wagons I have surprised quite a few people with my audi allroad with the 2.7 bi-turbo. HE HE

[Ed Bighi]

Turbos are turbos are turbos. Up the boost, keep it all cool, keep it from detonating, and you will go fast. Be that a 930, VW/Audi 1.8T, Supra, WRX, whatever. If you have a turbo car next to your normally aspirated whatever, don't waste your time. While he or she might be one of those rare individuals who are running at stock boost, chances are they are not if they even remotely look like enthusiasts. So don't bother judging your car's straight line performance by some other turbo car. Regardless of the car that was bolted on to that turbocharger. And if you are in Denver, Mexico City, Sao Paulo or some other high altitude location, then it really becomes night and day instead of just keeping up.

[PCA7GGR]

Since I don't tow anymore, I replaced my '99 Grand Cherokee (12mpg coty) with a new WRX wagon (20mpg city). When I opened the hood for the frist time and looked at the engine, it looked like a 914 2.0 that had been updated to modern specs. It's quick, handles/stops well and I can pack quite a bit into it - plus I can plow through snow covered roads when I need to.

[RarlyL8]

930s respond extremely well to modification. If something new out there hurts your feelings rest assured you can mod the 930 to beat it.
Sure this ain't apples to apples but how can any 30 year old car compare in any way with a new one?

A buddy of mine just put the beat down on a Z06 and followed up with a sport bike. I simply cannot imagine owning a sport bike and having my ass handed to me by a 30 year old 911 Turbo. That's gotta hurt!

[rs6er]

My son has a modded 2002 WRX with a dynoed 282 WHP. It flies. My stock 81 SC is just a completely different mode of transportation.

[911Velocity]

Originally posted by RarlyL8
930s respond extremely well to modification. If something new out there hurts your feelings rest assured you can mod the 930 to beat it.
Sure this ain't apples to apples but how can any 30 year old car compare in any way with a new one?

A buddy of mine just put the beat down on a Z06 and followed up with a sport bike. I simply cannot imagine owning a sport bike and having my ass handed to me by a 30 year old 911 Turbo. That's gotta hurt!

How about a stock appearing 40 year old car? I live for times that ???? pulls alongside my old 67 and goes WOT. They are in for one helluva big surprise

Gerry

[Facey]

Originally posted by Ed Bighi
Turbos are turbos are turbos. Up the boost, keep it all cool, keep it from detonating, and you will go fast. Be that a 930, VW/Audi 1.8T, Supra, WRX, whatever. If you have a turbo car next to your normally aspirated whatever, don't waste your time. While he or she might be one of those rare individuals who are running at stock boost, chances are they are not if they even remotely look like enthusiasts. So don't bother judging your car's straight line performance by some other turbo car. Regardless of the car that was bolted on to that turbocharger. And if you are in Denver, Mexico City, Sao Paulo or some other high altitude location, then it really becomes night and day instead of just keeping up.

this is a pretty far stretch.
a 996 will outrun a WRX, and most 3.6L 911's should.... now, a 3.6L in a early car will easily out pace a wrx. and any 'restored' 930 can usually go pretty close pace for pace with most things...choose the hp range...lol..



boosted cars feel faster then they are, period. awd is great in ****ty conditions.... the cars still are not the same as good exmaples of 911s.

[Dantilla]

My sister has a WRX.

Fast in a straight line, but squishy suspension.

[unclebilly]

Most turbo enthusiasts don't understand that a turbo charged engine is essentially a variable displacement engine. The more boost you run (varries with RPM etc), the more air you pack in and the engine puts out like a bigger engine. Those are the basic thermodynamics of it. I realize there is more too it than that but if you pack twice as much air into your 3.0 Litre engine, it should make as much power as a NA 6.0L engine.

[chris57]

I own a mercedes and bmw repair shop and I just helped a friend fix his STI. It is an 06 with about 5k in power mods. He slid out and hit a curb bending some suspension. I have driven the close to five hundred horsepower amg mercedes and heavily modded m5's and I have to tell you that this sti feels faster from 0-80. Super fast. I have and 85 carrera and it feels slow in comparison. This is probably the best horsepower,sport and daily driver option that is available today. One problem for me, it is and feels like a japanese car. One piece of advice unless you drive a 996 turbo dont drag race one for pinks.

[arrivederci]

Originally posted by Facey
this is a pretty far stretch.
a 996 will outrun a WRX, and most 3.6L 911's should.... now, a 3.6L in a early car will easily out pace a wrx. and any 'restored' 930 can usually go pretty close pace for pace with most things...choose the hp range...lol..



boosted cars feel faster then they are, period. awd is great in ****ty conditions.... the cars still are not the same as good exmaples of 911s.

I read ed's comments differently. Boosted typically equals gobs of torque. What are good examples of a 911 BTW?

Originally posted by Ed Bighi
Turbos are turbos are turbos. Up the boost, keep it all cool, keep it from detonating, and you will go fast. Be that a 930, VW/Audi 1.8T, Supra, WRX, whatever.

A modded WRX can/will outrun a 996. I ran up against a few WRXs in my (former) modded 930. They're both fast -- depends on how far you wanna take it. There's always a bigger fish. At altitude, turbos do rule. I ride a modded rocket ship to the slopes...few N/A cars will keep up at 10K+ feet.

[Sonic dB]

so this is why every punk in a wrx that pulls up to me wants to race...

[84toy]

I test drove an STI a few years ago. I was so close to buying it, my wallet was out but decided not too. VERY impressive car for an off the shelf vehicle and under $30k (at the time) but I like building them better than buying them...

It would eat my 84 for lunch.....

[WydRyd]

Originally posted by 84toy
I test drove an STI a few years ago. I was so close to buying it, my wallet was out but decided not too. VERY impressive car for an off the shelf vehicle and under $30k (at the time) but I like building them better than buying them...

It would eat my 84 for lunch.....

I agree. I also test drove a Mitsubishi EVO IX and whilst I found the car to be boring to drive and way too easy to drive FAST, it would definately crush my car (that's when it was NA'd) or any NA 964/993 for that matter.

These pocket Japanese turbo rockets should not be under-estimated, especially when they have been tuned with aftermarket go-fast bits.

I believe FRank@AMS (YermanCars brother) has tuned an 800HP 4cyl EVO You wouldn't want that monster pulling up next to you, that's for sure.

At the end of the day, I prefer to drive my 17 year old force-fed monster than a more up to date Japanese Turbo. Each to his/her own. Respect to all high performance sports cars, I say

[jevvy]

I had both a Scooby and a 3.2 for a short spell and my mrs used to be able to kick my arse when she was driving the Scooby - dont think that will happen now I have the 3.6 in there....

Got bored of the Scooby pretty soon as although it was fast it was too easy to drive fast and you had to be going Uber fast to get the same enjoyment I can get out the 911 at slower speeds. Scooby was still under warranty too so couldnt put a spanner on it which is probably 50% of the enjoyment of a car for me.

Scoobys might sometimes be faster but 911's are better!

[wcc]

I drove a WRX and then an STI back to back last year. I was thinking about picking one up. Between those two the STI felt quite a bit quicker then the standard WRX. A few months later I bought a completely stock 930. Even though it 'felt' slower then the STI for sure and I think it would be close with a WRX. This is stock to stock. But that doesn't bother me cause the 930 is 20yrs old now and the Sub is new and for me owning a 930 is a dream come true.

A story of getting beat in your P-car. It was on the E-way and old Pontiac Firebird pulled up behind me and wanted to play. So I down shifted and floored it. I was slowy pulling away, then he got in the slow lane as I was still pulling away slowly. Then he passed me like I was standing still. NOS? That's my guess. When we got to the first curve I ended up passing him again. So I figure his car was FAST in a straight line but forget the curves.

[WPOZZZ]

Originally posted by wcc
I drove a WRX and then an STI back to back last year. I was thinking about picking one up. Between those two the STI felt quite a bit quicker then the standard WRX. A few months later I bought a completely stock 930. Even though it 'felt' slower then the STI for sure and I think it would be close with a WRX. This is stock to stock. But that doesn't bother me cause the 930 is 20yrs old now and the Sub is new and for me owning a 930 is a dream come true.

A story of getting beat in your P-car. It was on the E-way and old Pontiac Firebird pulled up behind me and wanted to play. So I down shifted and floored it. I was slowy pulling away, then he got in the slow lane as I was still pulling away slowly. Then he passed me like I was standing still. NOS? That's my guess. When we got to the first curve I ended up passing him again. So I figure his car was FAST in a straight line but forget the curves.

Hahahahahaha! That's usually our excuse with BMWs when we run into those rice rockets!