SSI Authentication

[Cooper911SC]

To help give future searches something for clarification...

Here are pictures of some thin flange SSI's I recently sold.












Cooper

[sc_rufctr]

This picture is from our host....

[JB36]

I need more advice. The seller refuses to refund because he still insists these are SSI when they clearly are not. I've learned the following:

SSIs have very close welds around the heater boxes. The welds on the pipe are much cleaner as well. The metal, whether new or used, looks different. Changes more of a bronze like color when used like good stainless should. There are also two holes on the bottom of a driver side SSI. I think this is why they provide a special tool. SSIs have a part number and Dansk does not.

The seller has a receipt that states they are SSI and refuses to believe otherwise. I've called SSI and left a message, but I haven't had a call back. I'd like to send them a pic for valid proof. He wonders what the credentials are of people on this board are. Page 3 of this thread clearly show what I have are Dansk.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/112275-help-ssis-i-bought-dont-fit-my-car-3.html

I'm going to start the process of contacting pay pal for a dispute and my credit card company. This was clearly false advertisement. I wish I knew what I knew now and this would have never happened. I'm willing to split the cost of shipping and pay pal fees which is about $100 as a loss. I think this is fair. Nothing like learning the hard way.

[Fleming]

If your seller has a receipt from a retailer claiming the other product is SSI (R) Brand Name, pass that info along to the guys at SSI. They actively pursue false advertising using their name.

(You might want to edit your comment..the product that doesn't fit is N O T a SSI. Don't defame the good guys by using their brand name when talking about an alternate/inferior product).

Let your seller know he also has a claim for false advertising to the retailer that sold a substitute product to him using the brand name "SSI".

The last thing a retailer needs is to be called out as a shady dealer on this or any other web talk board. There are about 20K porsche folks reading these pages. It would take years to regain those customers. (You would think Refunds to all parties along this scam trail would be the minimum action).

[hdbmw]

Let me guess....ebay....right? I think depending on how much you paid for them (and whether a refund is possible), I'd be tempted to use them after addressing/coating the pipes...which of course you shouldn't have to do.

[hdbmw]

JB, Well now I've learned to look at the second page of these posts before "quick replying"...LOL. I can now see the refund option has turned into a "root canal". I think your offer of splitting the cost is more than fair.....but my gut tells me this isn't going to get any better for you. Pertaining to the secong part of my previous post you indicate that they won't fit the car either?

[JB36]

[QUOTE=Fleming;4934252](You might want to edit your comment..the product that doesn't fit is N O T a SSI. Don't defame the good guys by using their brand name when talking about an alternate/inferior product). QUOTE]

I'm not sure what your saying. I'm simply referring to this thread because it shows the two products and their differences.

hdbmw: Seller maintains thay came off a 3.2. Again, I was just using this thread because it clearly show what I have is Dansk and not SSI.

[175K911]

SSI's have always had their name and a part number embossed in them. I think back to when I had a 914 2.0 some 30 years ago and they had a p/n on them. And the SSI's I bought for my SC back in '83 had the SSI name and p/n on them.

One other way to see if they're even worth using is a bit more difficult. An SSI uses a single piece primary pipe all the way from the head flange to the collector. No welded joints inside the heat sheet metal. Virtually all copies are two piece with a welded joint inside the sheet metal. This is potentially a dangerous situation since the weld could leak causing carbon monoxide to escape into the heater boxes and then into the cockpit. SSI has gone to great lengths and expense to design and manufacture their pipes in one piece for both performance and for safety.

No logo or p/n, then they're fake. Case closed. They're not an SSI and the seller is wrong. Just because he was duped by an unscrupulous seller doesn't mean he can screw you. He advertised and sold as SSI and they're not.

Please share with us who the seller is. And get a copy of the original invoice the seller supposedly got that identified these were "SSI" so you can send SSI after them as well for selling copies. SSI, it's product, and it's name are all legally protected.

[sbrown.nw]

Hopefully you paid with a credit card. If so, there should be good to 100% fraud protection on a situation like this.

Scott

[JB36]

Some good news today. I spoke to John Daniels from SSI and he confirmed what has already been stated in this thread. Another way you can tell is SSIs do not weld on a support flange from the heater box to the pipe just before where the flange meets the collector/muffler. Only very early first year run units had this. The support is not needed and would would break here as John explained. All SSIs have a serial # stamped, but they are not logged for reference. They're unique, but he doesn't keep a record. To make this even worse. These are not even for a 3.2. There's a inlet pipe at the top of the exchanger (which is plugged) for an MFI setup. An O2 bung hacked in.

John was absolutely amazing. He is willing to help me prove my case and spent well over an hour talking about engine efficiency and the after-market in general. He had no obligation to do so. They don't come much nicer that's for sure.
He maybe contacting the shop that sold these to my seller as well.
Hopefully this works out. Thanks for the help.

Frank

[AshEvan]

Originally Posted by Fleming

SSI has numbers on every heat exchange they make. They spot weld every 1/2" or a little closer.

Dansk does not have part numbers stamped into them and the welds are 3/4" to 1" apart.

If you are looking for power and reliability stick with SSI ($$$).

For a good serviceable long lasting stainless heat exchange Dansk makes a good product.

FLEMING nailed it. Authentic SSI have spot welds little less than 1/2 " and both right and left should have SSI stamped on with part #. if not, it aint SSI's

[AdamsAveBikes]

I'm considering purchasing this set for my '79SC. I used the search and found this thread, so please excuse the hijack.
Please take a look at these photos and help me find out what make they are. The welds look like SSI, Magnet test reveals no attraction anywhere, yet there are no markings, stampings, or ID marks. Once I know what they are, I can make a valuation. Thanks!

[JB36]

No problem with the hijack. I'm glad this may be helping someone else. I'm not sure what to think about the lack of markings. I agree with the welds and the metal. It looks like 304 stainless which SSI uses. The driver side also has only two holes. SSI provides a tool for this reason since a pipe runs through where a third hole would be. Maybe some others will chime in since I'm not an expert after what happened to me.


In my case, the seller still refuses a refund dispite the fact SSI has provided me proof what I bought is not SSI. Pay Pal was no help since they only guarantee the item is as advertised if purchased on Ebay. My credit card company is looking into the matter as I'm about to send all of my documenation to them. I'm hoping for the best.

[juanbenae]

that last pair AAB posts are the real deal

[RarlyL8]

Isn't fraud a crime? Maybe you just need to figure out which law enforcement agency to call.
Did they ship to you from another state? Now it's mail fraud which is a federal crime.
I think he would be wise to refund the money.

SSI is one of my approved vendors. I have visited John a few times and know the product very well. The numbers stamped on the exchangers are not serial numbers but rather lot numbers. He can tell from those numbers approximately when the exchanger was made.

[175K911]

Originally Posted by car 311

that last pair AAB posts are the real deal

I'd agree but I suspect the O2 Bung was added later, that weld doesn't look like anything SSI would allow out of their hands.

[juanbenae]

Originally Posted by 175K911

I'd agree but I suspect the O2 Bung was added later, that weld doesn't look like anything SSI would allow out of their hands.

yes sir! looks like someone melted a candel on that thing.