PCA goes ricer

[pmax]

Will it succeed ?

Even though the average age of the fellow exhibitors and attendees was probably in the 20s or 30s, these car enthusiasts appreciated Jeff’s 1957 356 Outlaw
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At first, we felt a little out of place but ultimately our PCA envoy felt accepted and part of the group. We made many new friends and met future Porsche owners and PCA members. Jeff’s 356 Outlaw even won a first-place trophy.

Wekfest isn’t the only non-PCA or non-Porsche car show around — far from it. There are many, some of which have different themes. The Radwood car show, such as the one we visited earlier this year, features all car makes and models from the 1980s and 1990s and has events across North America. Wekfest also has other locations including events in San Jose, Seattle, and Los Angeles in addition to the New Jersey show.

We encourage Zones/Regions to consider attending events like this. It’s quite easy to sign up and the event hosts are very welcoming. Help share our Porsche enthusiasm with the next generation of PCA members …

https://www.pca.org/news/2019-09-16/pca-explores-new-opportunities-share-club-enthusiasm

https://www.latintimes.com/wekfest-usa-wekeast-celebrates-best-east-coast-mega-gallery-19117

[wayner]

In the 70s and 80s many owners shopped the Porsche performance catalogs for cams, flares air dams etc,

In fact I maintain that it was the factory itself that introduced wings to street cars

[Racerbvd]

Speaking of rice, here is the new 911..

[Cobalt]

I was asked to find three cars for this event. I was given little info on what it was about but was able to get some to join in. The RWB build would have been best but he had to back out.

Outlaw builds, backdates and updates have been part of Porsche culture for a long time. Jeff's 356 is a nice piece of work and Jerry's Speedster turbo has a lot of history and work put into it. He built countless outlaw, slope nose conversions back in the 90's. Walter's GT3 wasn't really what they were looking for but grabbed some attention.

Although I did not attend I was told the money and talent of these kids is outstanding. Not anything I would throw my money at but with attendance waning at the usual concours and other events they are trying to grab the younger generations interest and made an attempt. A very different culture than we usually see at a C&C or other club activities.

I don't see this as part of the Porsche or PCA's future as these kids aren't IMO the future buyers of a 992 or air-cooled 911. It is all about show and little about go. Although the interest and crowd drawn was apparently quite huge. I did learn these are all single kids making fair money usually living at home and dumping all their money into their cars. Money they will never be able to recoup.

[pmax]

Interesting.

If the outreach fails, is there a culture mismatch issue here ? The PCA has to be engaging the younger enthusiasts and not just the wine and cheese, country club $100K+ car crowd.

Still, it doesn't sound like a money problem given some of the builds there (pics in the second link). The guy doing this might find an aircooled 911 or 930 highly interesting, especially the Kermit the frog specimen from another thread !

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by pmax

Interesting.

If the outreach fails, is there a culture mismatch issue here ? The PCA has to be engaging the younger enthusiasts and not just the wine and cheese, country club $100K+ car crowd.

Still, it doesn't sound like a money problem given some of the builds there (pics in the second link). The guy doing this might find an aircooled 911 or 930 highly interesting, especially the Kermit the frog specimen from another thread !

I definitely feel there is a culture mismatch and money isn't the issue. These guys dump serious money into their cars. Some of these builds had to be well into the 6 figures. Although without a wife, family or house I would have owned multiple Enzo's, Sena's and Koenigseggs by now LOL.

Apparently one guy had over $35k in chrome on his Lexus engine alone and another built a complete Bentley Convertible out of a Ford Mustang. Even if you do all the work yourself it costs big time. I see a lot of young guys do tunes on their 10 year old VW Gulfs with mismatched paint and they will dump $30k+ into performance mods & $20k into chrome bits without blinking. Although most of what i see isn't show quality and usually they are blowing their engines up after a few months by pushing it too hard.

I agree PCA has to branch out and focus on the younger generations. Although I see a lot of youths that want to do DE and still prefer the modified 911 looking like a 911 and not something else. I believe they were attempting to branch out this with this event. The only way to know for sure is to test the waters and that was done here. I only had a few weeks to find some cars. I know if the RWB build didn't have a conflict it would have fit in better. If they do it next year and give me a bit more time to locate cars for them I will probably get some that are more to the crowds interest level. I had another outlaw build that would have been perfect but the engine had been dropped the week before and it couldn't be ready in time.

[racer]

What can succeed is not being a snob about brands and the approach folks take to enjoying their cars. Hot rods, custom, ricer, track cars, concours, low riders.. they all show a diversity to enjoy and appreciate the car.. not just as transportation but as personal expression. Guys can easily spend $50K modding (building) a car they want or spend $50K on a Porsche. Its just a choice. Good for PCA to reach out.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by racer

What can succeed is not being a snob about brands and the approach folks take to enjoying their cars. Hot rods, custom, ricer, track cars, concours, low riders.. they all show a diversity to enjoy and appreciate the car.. not just as transportation but as personal expression. Guys can easily spend $50K modding (building) a car they want or spend $50K on a Porsche. Its just a choice. Good for PCA to reach out.

That’s my thought. Looking down at the “ricers” just propogates the impression Porsche owners are snobs. Our local C&C was started by Porsche people but has always welcomed all. Now it’s usually 500 or more cars, from riced out Hondas and Subarus to Veyrons and Lambos.

[Vaive]

Originally Posted by Cobalt

Apparently one guy had over $35k in chrome on his Lexus engine alone and another built a complete Bentley Convertible out of a Ford Mustang. Even if you do all the work yourself it costs big time. I see a lot of young guys do tunes on their 10 year old VW Gulfs with mismatched paint and they will dump $30k+ into performance mods & $20k into chrome bits without blinking. Although most of what i see isn't show quality and usually they are blowing their engines up after a few months by pushing it too hard.

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Once again proving money and smarts are not always positively correlated.

[1979-930]

I think its a good idea. I'm not really into the car shows. Boring to me.
But the one or two a year I do go to are C&C events. I like all types of cars; stock or custom.

I've only been to a couple PCA events and they are all older people with new Porsches.
I actually had a board member of the local PCA compare my car to a bug.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by 1979-930

I've only been to a couple PCA events and they are all older people with new Porsches.
I actually had a board member of the local PCA compare my car to a bug.

Sorry to hear that. We have all ages at our PCA events and even allow 928's LOL just kidding i own one myself.

I have to agree a lot of the bling all show stuff does little for me especially if it isn't a car that is a pleasure to drive, but one mans likes is another's dislike so. But I admire the effort and energy. We have several thousand members in our local C&C a few friends of mine started. When we hit 100 members we thought it was getting large. Now we have anything you can imagine although we find the flashy built cars are more likely to end up terrorizing the neighborhood and have to be seen and show off acting somewhat childish. There is no tolerance for that period.

I always try to be an ambassador to the club as part of the local region Board and try to strike up conversations with everyone no matter if it is a car I like or not. If you own it you are proud of it otherwise you wouldn't be there so make everyone welcome. Try to find the good in everything or keep my mouth shut. I save the negative comments for the forums LOL. We have people show up in all sorts of stuff from Stanley steamers to 8k mile Yugo's to Maserati Birdcage and multi million dollar cars. I still find anything and everything interesting whether it is my taste or not. The talent exhibited here is huge but most of it I find little interest in. My friend Jeff got a lot of appreciation for his 356 outlaw from the younger crowd. So there is a link there someplace and maybe the old can learn from the new and vice versa.

[pmax]

Side question, I would think these, that NSX has to be, are mostly stick cars ? If so, the rumors of the manual's demise are highly exaggerated.

[sugarwood]

Old guys mocking young kids for wasting money on mods that they will never recoup ?

Think back to your misguided 20s.

Slot mags, sidepipes, raised letter tires, AND hood scoop.
What do you remember about aftermarket mods of your youth?
Which were boneheaded, and which were legit ?

• Slot mags
• Cragar SS
• Louvers
• Cherry bomb straight pipe exhaust
• Tunnel rams, hood scoops, blowers?
• NOS
• Hood scoops
• Alpine / Kenwood stereo.
• Jacked up rear end
• Traction bars
• Pinstriping
• Wheelie bars

What are some of your stories ?

[sugarwood]

That's the perfect 911 buyer
$150k old man car.
Gold watch is perfect

Originally Posted by Racerbvd

That's the perfect 911 buyer

[sugarwood]

God damn, that is embarrassing.
Bringing a VW Beetle to a modern car meet ?

That's like the throwback guy in his 1971 Nova or Chevelle trying to come to a Porsche car show.

[Vaive]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Old guys mocking young kids for wasting money on mods that they will never recoup ?

To me this isn't old vs young. Wasting money on stupid **** is not a good idea at any age. I wouldn't care either way if these kids were independently wealthy or had access to the bank of mom and dad for the $35K chrome job. But let's face it this money is most likely borrowed by people who don't make much money.

Not only is it stupid financially, it's tacky and trashy too.

[Cobalt]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

God damn, that is embarrassing.
Bringing a VW Beetle to a modern car meet ?

That's like the throwback guy in his 1971 Nova or Chevelle trying to come to a Porsche car show.

Every time I read your comments I can't believe you can be a bigger A-hole than you are. But somehow you continue to prove me wrong. A perfectly good thread ruined by Suga once again.

Jeff is a really nice guy has been around Porsche's for 45 years and built that car himself. It gained a fair amount of respect from the younger crowd. It is a very nicely done build and he is proud to show it.

I didn't know anyone who built cars like you pictured. I was always building performance and track oriented cars even in the 70's and 80's. Restoring 2002's and early 911's at 19. Can't tell you how many I know the same age as these guys buying new 991's 992's and Panameras. They aren't being purchased only by the gray haired Rolex wearing stereotype you seem to believe.

I also know a lot of Porsche owners who drive vintage Muscle and frown on the crap you posted.

[Matt Monson]

Suga is a troll. He says those things looking for a reaction.

[Cobalt]

I know but it gives me great pleasure to point it out. Maybe someday he will grow some hair on his balls and be a man.

[Matt Monson]

Doubtful. He blocked me because I did the same.