912. In genera. Discuss.

[copbait73]

A very presentable SWB longhood driver, but a 4 banger.

[ficke]

Originally Posted by TPorsche912

I'll start it off with the 6805 paint code and the total lack of smog equipment. That's the obvious, so we'll see what other details the experts can spot.

'Original' means original paint, repaints are not 'original' that is huge and the most obvious error to me. And calling it a survivor is really sealing the deal of clueless.
And the steering wheel, and other previously mentioned stuff makes it a nice driver not an original/survivor car.
But as a side note, in some defence of the seller, many people really do not understand these terms to describe cars or have the ability to asses their own car. For example on this marketplace discussion form we have people describe their car with in op AC, after market steering wheel, later wheels etc. then go on to say it is a hagerty #2 car and by Hagerty's charts should be worth this much. You can quote Hagerty description and use all the facts you want and people will still stand by their #2 assessment of their car. I do not think these people are devious are stupid, just maybe a prejudice to their own car. This 912 is being offered for sale by a flipper who should know better, but obviously does not.
So I think when evaluating a car for sale, it is important to look at the car and owner and not the ad, ignoring misspelled words and bad descriptions, is it a thoughtful caring owner? or is it a flipper, dealer, second party seller of some sort? and of course a personal inspection of the car with your own assessment or one of a trusted third party.
From what I can see this would make a good driver 912 and should be brought for that amount.

[TPorsche912]

"Gorgeous Polo Red exterior w/Black interior. This vehicle is original with no modifications, has No Rust, original floor boards and factory Porsche cookie cutter wheels"

Color Code 6805 = Bahama Yellow Not to mention the bubbling "no rust" next to the id plate.

"This 912 is a true survivor not often do you run across such a well preserved original Porsche like this"
"an awesome investment and who knows probably a nest egg to leave for your children"

Hope the kids have lots of money to pour into the car to get it right. I have a real problem with so many details on this car. The Porsche letters on the deck lid are waaaaay off. The right front horn grill is so wrong. The rear seats are not correct for a '68. The dash cut for the aftermarket radio. The driver side rocker deco is falling off at the rear. The horrible repaint in incorrect color. Cut door panels for cheap Kraco speakers. Breather hose from the oil fill canister going who knows where. Lack of any details in the engine compartment. Wrong air cleaners. Rattle can respray on engine mounts, along with half the wiring harness. It appears that most of the anodized trim has been polished. Tears in seats with missing screws all over the place. And those Cookie Cutter wheels are so wrong for Cookie Cutters. Almost look like Fuchs to me.

It just sux that this type seller is luring folks that don't know any better into our community for all the wrong reasons. At the current $20k this car is already overpriced for what it really is. What's really amazing is that the seller is also listing another car 1986 Porsche 911 CARRERA and his past feedback indicates that all the P-cars he has previously sold resulted in positive feedback giving folks a warm fuzzy about this 912.

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by TPorsche912

O.K. You are disqualified from future input. You obviously have no clue about Briggs and Stratton. It's actually a 930 engine missing all the fluff and a few unnecessary parts.

Now that you mention it, I do see the resemblance; the 912 engine looks curiously like the 930's turbo scavenge pump!

PS - will read up on Briggs and Stratton, shortly!

[ficke]

Complete rag, rusted but buildable, project 912's are 10K now.
A sort of correct driver 912 is 20K.
Nice complete, correct, honest with solid mechanicals are 30k.
And a proper restored, 40K.
A real survivor in nice shape, I think 50K is not out of the Question, depending on the car condition and options.
There is a SWT 912 one owner car here in Tucson that was bought new in Tucson that is correct and complete down to the window sticker and original bill of sell, I think I would be getting a good deal If I can buy it for anything under 50K.

[rdwinelover]

Does anyone want to take a stab at what a 1969 912 with original paint and not even a nickle in size rust spot can be found anywhere on the car?

I am not keen on knowing where these cars are pricing at and also don't have a gauge on an original paint, zero rust 912. I know no rust is rare enough let alone with it also having original paint.

Tons or records. Original owner was from Sacramento CA. I am in SF where she lives now. Matching everything except for it's standing on a set of period correct, American Racing wheels which could be sold for 3K+- and could be put back to stock steelies easily enough. All gauges working. Engine rebuilt less than 3k miles ago. 77k original miles on her. 2 owners. She wears silver.. Why am I selling? Sad to say, I don't have room in my garage for her after a buying rampage recently so need to part with one of my 5 I now own.

I can stick her into longer term storage until I purchase a warehouse space for my business (which isn't too far off) but if these things have vaulted in price like it seems like from this thread, maybe she is best in the hands of someone else.

[SilberUrS6]

I think $30k would be a very quick sale. Hold out for $40k

[rdwinelover]

Yes but my GT2 gets there a wee bit quicker.

Does the 912 make it to the top of Filbert ?

[r-mm]

huh I would have guesses all the added weight would have made the 912 faster up a hill...

[TPorsche912]

Your car is definitely one of the better I've seen offered, and includes all the right provenance. No respray +, 2 owner +, rebuilt motor +, low miles +, no rust +++++++++++++++.

The most recent issue of Excellence has a market survey on the 912. They put the value in general (all years) at $15k fair, $20k good, and $25k excellent. I think those are a little light in comparison to actual sales recently, and there must be some lag in publishing time compared to market moves.

Without more pics, and judged strictly on your biased description, I wouldn't sell your car for less than $30k and that's for a relative quick sale. If you need to sell quicker a little negotiation might suffice. If you don't need a quick sale I would probably start at a higher number and see what develops. $40k isn't out of the question, but $35k would generate more interest.

Very nice car...........

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by TPorsche912

$40k isn't out of the question, but $35k would generate more interest.

You can always go down... I'd start around $40k.

[rdwinelover]

Thanks for the few posts of feedback. At 40k there isn't a change I would sell her. 45K wouldn't even take her away (as someone discussed privately with me). I watch this site and the many others and rarely if ever see 40 year old cars with no rust let alone original paint.

To add to the sentiment of others here, I have a GT2 and 930 Turbo's 3.0 and the 912 is WAY more fun on the city streets of San Francisco. Cranking through the park on the bends. Up the hills. My 930's can't touch the 912 with it's turbo lag. The GT2 is a monster and yes, destroys the car up a hill, (Filbert) but scares the hell out of me with people and other cars around. It's a rocket ship and simply isn't as fun in the city as the back end always wants to come out from under her. Both those cars have their place on the Sonoma Coast where I spend a TON of time and can rip up the bends and straight aways.

The 912 shifts and sounds and feels like the old pair of jeans and t-shirt that is soft as hell that you put on for the weekend. The smell inside even smells old and vintage. Ever knob, every crinkle has patina. That can't be replaced. It's the kind of car that I don't stress as much parking it at the super market to grab some groceries compared to the others. Shocking, I also get more thumbs up in the 912 than either of the other cars.

I don't see these cars going down in price. They have their place 100% in the garage. I just have to figure out where that space is going!

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by rdwinelover

I don't see these cars going down in price. They have their place 100% in the garage. I just have to figure out where that space is going!

Very true words. I wouldn't sell if it you can find a place to put it.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by rdwinelover

Thanks for the few posts of feedback. At 40k there isn't a change I would sell her. 45K wouldn't even take her away (as someone discussed privately with me). I watch this site and the many others and rarely if ever see 40 year old cars with no rust let alone original paint.

To add to the sentiment of others here, I have a GT2 and 930 Turbo's 3.0 and the 912 is WAY more fun on the city streets of San Francisco. Cranking through the park on the bends. Up the hills. My 930's can't touch the 912 with it's turbo lag. The GT2 is a monster and yes, destroys the car up a hill, (Filbert) but scares the hell out of me with people and other cars around. It's a rocket ship and simply isn't as fun in the city as the back end always wants to come out from under her. Both those cars have their place on the Sonoma Coast where I spend a TON of time and can rip up the bends and straight aways.

The 912 shifts and sounds and feels like the old pair of jeans and t-shirt that is soft as hell that you put on for the weekend. The smell inside even smells old and vintage. Ever knob, every crinkle has patina. That can't be replaced. It's the kind of car that I don't stress as much parking it at the super market to grab some groceries compared to the others. Shocking, I also get more thumbs up in the 912 than either of the other cars.

I don't see these cars going down in price. They have their place 100% in the garage. I just have to figure out where that space is going!

Sooo…the whole thing is a tease?

[rdwinelover]

No tease. Was just sitting on the fence. When asked what people thought about the price, and 2 came back at 40K, that made up my mind. I don't see enough original paint, no rust cars nor do i watch 912's in terms of pricing hence I had no idea.

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