So...whats my 930 with needs worth? - Page 2

bpu699 · 07-22-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JacobS911

Put it on Ebay - 50k Buy it now with the option for buyers to make offers.

Considering that... May need to sleep on this...

Matt Monson · 07-22-2017, 05:48 PM

I don't see how anyone gets under $25k. With an impact and a lift I can pull $25k of quickly sellable parts of that car in an afternoon.

bpu699 · 07-22-2017, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I don't see how anyone gets under $25k. With an impact and a lift I can pull $25k of quickly sellable parts of that car in an afternoon.

I have had offers over that amount... I agree, parts for 930's ain't cheap... If someone wants to part it out, that's their call...

I know that the front wide body quarters are $$$. Brakes $$$. Seats $$$ race seats$$$ current race restraints $$ Ruf steering wheel ( no, the car isn't a RUF, PO just badged it like that), etc, etc, etc...

Not sure that's the best use of the car... Fixing whatever is broke and taking it back on the track...could be fun for someone...

Going to sleep on some offers I have gotten...

Alan L · Alan L's Garage

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Originally Posted by bpu699

I don't think it would be $10k either... but it would be a whole bunch of weekends...

What do you figure to split the case/new bearings/ARP bolts?

Does it need bearings? That changes quite a lot. You have just doubled the amount of work splitting the case, and crank re grind. You can do ARP bolts without splitting the case. No more work than you need to do to replace studs (other than replacing the rod bolts).
Yes, quite a few weekends. Either that or pay someone good money for quite a few hrs of work. They ARE time consuming engines. I guess it depends how much you want to keep the car and how you value your w/end time. For me, I enjoy that stuff - as long as it does not intrude too much on other things. Bad weather weekends - I would much rather be in my w/shop working on an engine. If I was closer, I would be over in a shot to help out. Or, considering buying it as a bit of a project. The real Q is do you want to keep it? If yes, then the w/ends are an investment. If No, then you are going to sell it at it's lowest value point right now, going by the other comments and your assessment of the vehicle.
Alan

bpu699 · 07-22-2017, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan L

Does it need bearings? That changes quite a lot. You have just doubled the amount of work splitting the case, and crank re grind. You can do ARP bolts without splitting the case. No more work than you need to do to replace studs (other than replacing the rod bolts).
Yes, quite a few weekends. Either that or pay someone good money for quite a few hrs of work. They ARE time consuming engines. I guess it depends how much you want to keep the car and how you value your w/end time. For me, I enjoy that stuff - as long as it does not intrude too much on other things. Bad weather weekends - I would much rather be in my w/shop working on an engine. If I was closer, I would be over in a shot to help out. Or, considering buying it as a bit of a project. The real Q is do you want to keep it? If yes, then the w/ends are an investment. If No, then you are going to sell it at it's lowest value point right now, going by the other comments and your assessment of the vehicle.
Alan

I wouldn't think it needs bearings... I just keep hearing on all these threads that " if you have it apart THAT far to do the heads, you might as well split the case and change everything out."

You can change the rod bolts on these cars without splitting the case??? I didn't know that... Good to know...

jwasbury · 07-23-2017, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I don't see how anyone gets under $25k. With an impact and a lift I can pull $25k of quickly sellable parts of that car in an afternoon.

Of course the value of parts is greater than the complete car will sell for. Isn't that always the case?

Here is a car that very likely has the original engine, orignal transmission, original clutch?, original suspension bushings, etc. OP mentions nothing in the way of big money maintenance that often has been done or needs doing at the age/mileage of the car. We know based on his honest description that the tub needs straightening and there is a broken head stud, and cam that shows pitting.

The engine is likely to hoover up $10k immediately. Could be $20k, but $10k is realistic. Other items that probably require attention can easily take up another $5-$10k. So in my opinion a buyer of this car needs to budget for $15-$30k to properly address the needs of this car. When you're done with that, you still don't have a proper 930 because of the body mods and missing Fuchs wheels.

In perfect running condition and documented recent maintenance what's this car worth? Not as much as a good driver 930.

scottrx7tt · 07-23-2017, 06:42 AM

If one does the head studs and recondition the heads, etc. I don't see how that would cost 10k? If you DIY, I bet you are in under $2500

ficke · ficke's Garage

First of all, what a refreshing and honest ad you wrote! I wish all the for sale ads were like that.
I think the price points mentioned in the this thread are right on, 40k would be a gift to you but possible, and 25 k would be a quick sell and on the light side. So about 30-35 seems reasonable.

When people reference the cost for repairing their car and do not count in the cost of labor they are really being dishonest with them selves and each other.
I always factor in my time, so to pay a shop to do the heads and broken studs could easily reach 6k and 'while they are in there' it turns into 10k fast with just a few simple items like a clutch.
Now I never pay a shop, but I use shop rates to make financial decisions on my cars. It is only fair.

SalParadise · 07-23-2017, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by scottrx7tt

If one does the head studs and recondition the heads, etc. I don't see how that would cost 10k? If you DIY, I bet you are in under $2500

$2500, yeah no.

Matt Monson · 07-23-2017, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jwasbury

Of course the value of parts is greater than the complete car will sell for. Isn't that always the case?.

A wrecker won't buy a car that they can't make a tidy profit on. However the wreckers wholesale bid on it isn't a fair assessment of the market value of the car. But I think you know that you are arguing in defense of a number you don't really believe is an accurate value to the seller.

ficke · ficke's Garage

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Originally Posted by SalParadise

$2500, yeah no.

agreed,
Cams are suspect which means rocker also and maybe rocker shafts, clutch is questionable, that is just what is mentioned from a casual observation.
$2500 will not cover parts unless it is a patch job.

Matt Monson · 07-23-2017, 09:29 AM

Full top end. $6-10k

bpu699 · 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ficke

First of all, what a refreshing and honest ad you wrote! I wish all the for sale ads were like that.

Yep, That honesty sure helps the pricing

. I wonder if carmax would take it as a trade in

The head studs obviously needs replacement. The cam should be reground/corrected...

I have had folks contact me...car may be sold soon. I just don't have the heart to work on it. This may be the most affordable 930 of recent history. Never sold a non running car... It would be a cool project for someone who has time... I loved having the car, wanted it since high school.

I have been straightforward with everyone. The car, at the prices being discussed, is what it is. If the motor turns into jelly beans, and unicorns fly out the exhaust after you buy it, I don't want to hear about it. If it's possessed and the devil incarnate sparks from the intake...it's up to the buyer to get an exorcist. If it needs more work, other stuff shows up...I don't want to hear about it. I make absolutely no representations, guarantees, or warranties, about the quality or condition of the car, or what it may take to fix it... Any description should be independently verified by the buyer. Basically, anyone buying it at the prices discussed is buying a congregation of atoms and molecules

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Can you tell I like watching Judge Judy?

I suspect, financially speaking, someone will buy it to sell for parts...

jwasbury · 07-23-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

But I think you know that you are arguing in defense of a number you don't really believe is an accurate value to the seller.

I think you don't know me. I paid $25k for the car I provided a link to photos of above. Did I get a great deal? Perhaps, but that is my benchmark and its coming from personal experience. OP asked for opinions regarding value and I gave mine. All are welcome to disagree, but please don't presume to know the contents of my heart and mind from a few forum posts.

I do think the car would sell quickly at 25k, but then my definition of the "market value" of anything is the price at which one can get paid cash quickly and without hassle.

Best,
Jacob

356911930 · 356911930's Garage

^^^^^^
Quote: "I think the price points mentioned in the this thread are right on, 40k would be a gift to you but possible, and 25 k would be a quick sell and on the light side. So about 30-35 seems reasonable."

I would have to agree with "ficke"... salvage title, needing to be put on a Cellete to straighten, clutch, heads, headstuds, cams + unknowns. What is this car worth in good condition? $50,000-$55,000?

New owner will probably put in close to $20,000...we re back to $30,000-$35,000. I would say on the lower end due to the salvage title.

BPU699; this car has the most value to you! Keep it and fix it. Or do nothing, let it sit and gt your mojo back. It will always sell for what can get now.

Rahl

Matt Monson · 07-23-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwasbury

I think you don't know me. I paid $25k for the car I provided a link to photos of above. Did I get a great deal? Perhaps, but that is my benchmark and its coming from personal experience. OP asked for opinions regarding value and I gave mine. All are welcome to disagree, but please don't presume to know the contents of my heart and mind from a few forum posts.

I do think the car would sell quickly at 25k, but then my definition of the "market value" of anything is the price at which one can get paid cash quickly and without hassle.

Best,
Jacob

Jacob,
I'm sorry if I offended you. There's a difference between a sell in under 5 minutes price and one that takes a week or so to sell. The delta is $10-15k and the first one is a wholesale price. Dealers will jump his sh.. for the price you've suggested. He's already got them privately offering him more than that. I figured with how long you've been around you would know that.

bpu699 · 07-23-2017, 02:40 PM

Dug around and found the craigslist ad from the prior two owners... I have had the car since 2009... Time flies...

First seller noted the following, take it for what it's worth. No receipts were passed on...

Top end rebuild 2007 at 55,000 miles...
IA fuel head
SC cams
K27-7200 turbo

Tried to follow up with folks that expressed interest... Waiting for replies... Prices brought up in line with what folks mentioned... Will give folks that contacted me time to touch base.

Will see what happens. May try eBay. May leave in the garage and fix over the winter...