Heads on '88 Carrera Cabrio Ltd Edition

[touringmandan]

Just a heads up for all Pelicans- We recently had a 1988 Carrera Cabriolet "Ferry Porsche" edition in our shop. It was fairly rough, and had failed rings in cylinder #3. The cylinder bore was trashed. The customer declined the repairs. We got it running on 6 cylinders again, but it smoked fairly heavily on extended idling. I believe it was sold to one of the "Big Flippers". I just hope who ever buys it knows it needs a top end overhaul (at minimum). It also needed body and paint work- it had 2 sizable dents in the hood from something falling on it. She needed convertible top work, odometer repair and A/C work as well.
It left our shop on a transporter. Let's keep an eye out for it, wherever it resurfaces.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by touringmandan

Just a heads up for all Pelicans- We recently had a 1988 Carrera Cabriolet "Ferry Porsche" edition in our shop. It was fairly rough, and had failed rings in cylinder #3. The cylinder bore was trashed. The customer declined the repairs. We got it running on 6 cylinders again, but it smoked fairly heavily on extended idling. I believe it was sold to one of the "Big Flippers". I just hope who ever buys it knows it needs a top end overhaul (at minimum). It also needed body and paint work- it had 2 sizable dents in the hood from something falling on it. She needed convertible top work, odometer repair and A/C work as well.
It left our shop on a transporter. Let's keep an eye out for it, wherever it resurfaces.

I can tell you one of the Big Flippers is not going to put the needed $8K or so into just a top end rebuild. They are going to use the engine restoration in a can from Autozone to hide that one. Scary. Well, maybe someone will see this and get the heads up from you. Those dudes don't do engine work.

[Tarek307]

The sad thing is if this "big time flipper" is a scum bag, they will most likely just sell it to some poor unsuspecting buyer in Europe & by the time it arrives the flipper will have been paid and the buyer stuck with a POS. Lets hope thats not the case.

If you have the VIN# you should post it therefore when someone searches they can find the info on google! If you don't want to post it for fear of business privacy you could always have another member post.

[crb07]

It will end up on Craigslist.

[kc911s]

Yes. Post VIN. Help protect the buyer from getting screwed.

[touringmandan]

It just came up for sale on Facebook marketplace in Waxhaw NC. Has been PDR'ed and detailed, claims to have 16k miles. Pictures are VERY carefully taken.

[touringmandan]

Looks like a small to medium flipster. Other than the poorly matched paint work, it presents well on the internet. A week ago there were 2 dents in the hood in front of the driver, the odometer was inop (showing 16k), and the steering wheel leather was worn completely through at the top.

[Tarek307]

Here is the link to the ad. Sellers name is "Tony Marks" but looks like a BS FB profile in my opinion.

I asked all the questions to try and give the guy a way out, but unfortunately he said car is A-OK no issues, i even asked about the engine specifically.

If the OP is correct about the info they provided (i have no doubt they are correct) Than this seller has zero integrity & ethics and sadly someone will be burnt badly on this car!

I also ran a carfax & the carfax says odometer roll back, asked seller he said it has 116k, however that could and most likely is wrong because odo was changed out at 109k in 2003.


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OP: I didn't want to delve further and let him know that i know the cars condition as to not get you into any headaches.

[touringmandan]

I don't know about the head studs. I saw heavy cylinder scoring in #3. The spark plug in #3 was oil fouled with heavy deposits. The compression was 135#. I cleaned the plug and #3 came back on line, but did not always fire at idle speed. It smoked heavily after idling for a minute or two. I gave the previous owner (as of last week) a rough estimate on a top end rebuild. She said the engine had "well over 100k miles" and that the odometer had been broken for many years.

[Tarek307]

Well, he is definitely a little confused rite now lol.. its really sad how some people have no problem with hiding big troublesome facts they know are wrong with something they are selling!

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by touringmandan

Other than the poorly matched paint work, it presents well on the internet.

That's the thing isn't it. Buying a car on the internet. Buyer beware - bigtime. Everything looks great on the internet. Being someone who has bought a lot of stuff on the internet, I have probably been very very pleasantly surprised maybe 5-6 times when something came as described. The photos always look better. Much better.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Tarek307

Here is the link to the ad. Sellers name is "Tony Marks" but looks like a BS FB profile in my opinion.

I asked all the questions to try and give the guy a way out, but unfortunately he said car is A-OK no issues, i even asked about the engine specifically.

If the OP is correct about the info they provided (i have no doubt they are correct) Than this seller has zero integrity & ethics and sadly someone will be burnt badly on this car!

I also ran a carfax & the carfax says odometer roll back, asked seller he said it has 116k, however that could and most likely is wrong because odo was changed out at 109k in 2003.


vin#
WP0EB0913JS170385

OP: I didn't want to delve further and let him know that i know the cars condition as to not get you into any headaches.

Originally Posted by Tarek307

Well, he is definitely a little confused rite now lol.. its really sad how some people have no problem with hiding big troublesome facts they know are wrong with something they are selling!

It's really poor form to be posting someone's messages from a private conversation.

You can say as much without resorting to that.

[Esel Mann]

Originally Posted by pmax

It's really poor form to be posting someone's messages from a private conversation.

You can say as much without resorting to that.

There is no form as to posting someone's messages when they are part of the conversation. Unless said messages are clearly marked private/confidential/no disclosure/etc. Stop posting misinformation.

Further, so long as the messages were not doctored, or presented in a way to misdirect gentle readers, they reveal key information to help a prospective buyer from being royally SCREWED should they due some leg work up front on the internet!

Why on earth you would be against information like this is beyond me but I do have my suspicions.

Embarking upon a search for a Porsche it is an absolute uphill battle and it is very easy to be taken. Information like this can help one steer wide and clear.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Esel Mann

There is no form as to posting someone's messages when they are part of the conversation. Unless said messages are clearly marked private/confidential/no disclosure/etc. Stop posting misinformation.

Recording and publicizing a "private" phone or verbal conversation a-OK to you ? If not, how is it different then ?

Further, so long as the messages were not doctored, or presented in a way to misdirect gentle readers, they reveal key information to help a prospective buyer from being royally SCREWED should they due some leg work up front on the internet!

Why on earth you would be against information like this is beyond me but I do have my suspicions.

Embarking upon a search for a Porsche it is an absolute uphill battle and it is very easy to be taken. Information like this can help one steer wide and clear.

Tarek could have said as much without the direct postings.

[Tarek307]

Originally Posted by Esel Mann

There is no form as to posting someone's messages when they are part of the conversation. Unless said messages are clearly marked private/confidential/no disclosure/etc. Stop posting misinformation.

Further, so long as the messages were not doctored, or presented in a way to misdirect gentle readers, they reveal key information to help a prospective buyer from being royally SCREWED should they due some leg work up front on the internet!

Why on earth you would be against information like this is beyond me but I do have my suspicions.

Embarking upon a search for a Porsche it is an absolute uphill battle and it is very easy to be taken. Information like this can help one steer wide and clear.

Ignore that guy, he's a troll! He'd rather turn this important thread into an attack on me somehow than potentially save an unsuspecting enthusiast from buying a car through a buyer that is lying & misrepresenting its condition. Somehow i'm wrong by showing the lengths the seller will take to lie about the car..lol, amazing this troll!

[Esel Mann]

Originally Posted by pmax

Recording and publicizing a "private" phone or verbal conversation a-OK to you ? If not, how is it different then ?

It takes zero effort to request that non-deceptive communication be considered private/confidential/etc.

Even if this were the case (it clearly wasn't) the fact that the communication is deceptive, would nullify the request.

Simple, easy, breezy. Pretty much a non problem for people who are not deceptive. For those that are deceptive, well.....

Originally Posted by pmax

Tarek could have said as much without the direct postings.

He could have said as much, yes. However if that was to have happened, then it would be like so many other cases on this forum. Simple words and one has to wonder what is what. Between the OP's heads up post and Tarek's communication with a cornholio, it seems pretty clear there is a person attempting to make a deceptive Porsche sale.

Had it simply been Tarek's words, one would have to pause and contemplate.

This isn't rocket science.

[pmax]

Originally Posted by Esel Mann

It takes zero effort to request that non-deceptive communication be considered private/confidential/etc.

Even if this were the case (it clearly wasn't) the fact that the communication is deceptive, would nullify the request.

Simple, easy, breezy. Pretty much a non problem for people who are not deceptive. For those that are deceptive, well.....

Here's a simple experiment you (or Tarek too) can try.

Inform all your business associates (as is the case here with Tarek) and friends for that matter that their conversations with you may be recorded and publicized later as you desire.

Let us know how that goes for you.

He could have said as much, yes. However if that was to have happened, then it would be like so many other cases on this forum. Simple words and one has to wonder what is what. Between the OP's heads up post and Tarek's communication with a cornholio, it seems pretty clear there is a person attempting to make a deceptive Porsche sale.

Had it simply been Tarek's words, one would have to pause and contemplate.

This isn't rocket science.

In this case, I would take Tarek at his word given the collaborating evidence from Dan the touring man.

[Esel Mann]

Originally Posted by pmax

Here's a simple experiment you (or Tarek too) can try.

Inform all your business associates (as is the case here with Tarek) and friends for that matter that their conversations with you may be recorded and publicized later as you desire.

Let us know how that goes for you.

In this case, I would take Tarek at his word given the collaborating evidence from Dan the touring man.

*sighe* there is no need to experiment. This is SOP so there is no need to ask how it goes.

Friends are a poor choice on your part. HOWEVER to address this, when something is private in nature we are all explicit with each other and tag it as being 'in the vault'. Rest assured if someone were to spill vault material after being tagged as such, or be deceptive with what they want vaulted they are soon no longer a friend. Conversely if someone spills what should have been in the vault but wasn't known to be declared, oh well. Simple, easy, breezy.

In BUSINESS, we take similar measures. Making things confidential, or non-disclosure for example.
When declared as such one does not violate, UNLESS there is something deceptive or dishonest going on. IF business is not declared as such, the expectation is that it is PUBLIC. Simple, easy, breezy.

By all means keep doubling down I'm having a chuckle at your expense. Perhaps channel your alter identity from parf to hold your hand?

I'll venture a guess you are not well skooled on this subject.

[Esel Mann]

Originally Posted by pmax

You don't have any friends among your business associates, I gather.

That would explain everything.

Actually, I don't recall a discussion on my part where friends AND business are mixed. In any event
I went the additional step to mention each exclusively so as to demonstrate the SOP for each. Now in the situation where the two overlap it is safe to presume one uses either method discussed. It is situationally dependent and also influenced as to what level of friend, what level of business associate.

I'm still laughing at you. I suspect others are too. Your suggestion of conducting an experiment for something which is already common outside the test tube. Your poor attempt at doubling down. LOL.

[Cairo94507]

I do not see any private or confidential information posted. No full names or numbers. The conversation itself is benign other than informing prospective buyers about a car with possibly some issues. That is why we have these forums- to educate and watch out for each other. I say Thank You for posting.