I stopped buying music when Punk came out (this is about AI)

[Zeke]

I always was a big music fan. When the kids were of the age that they were into music I usually had a tape of a group before they did. I would hear it on the car radio and go get it. When Punk came long that stopped dead.

Wasn't into Michael Jackson either but some MTV stuff was OK. Not OK enough to buy it though. I kept listening to music for many more years, first some country which I didn't have a baseline for. Then mixes of tapes I had.

Slowly I got tired of my playlists even though I got an iPod and downloaded a 100 songs. I thought this was great as I didn't have to listen to a whole CD that replaced the tapes.

What about this and AI? Well, that was a turning point in my life. My wife bought me tickets to a Pat Benatar concert in '94 and I walked out mid show. I was done with anything beyond that with a rare exception and I don't buy it. I might, might download it but it's been a few years.

Well computers turned that corner this year. Punk has arrived in the form of AI. AI is the Devil and it has ruined the use and enjoyment of a computer as entertainment. Like a typewriter was to an office, so is a computer now. That's where they started as word processors and that's where they will stay in my life.

Yeah, people have changed a lot. People changed with music. People changed with films. BTW, I have never watched an animated movie and I avoid CGI if I can help it. I guess I'm in the belief that if there is a stunt to be shot, the stunt should be done for real. So you know by now I've never seen a Star Wars movie, not one.

And although there was never a distinct date that I stopped turning on the car radio, it did come about easily within a year that it went silent. That time is now this time as I begin to leave online communities. I all looks and sounds like a bad Pat Benatar song to me. (She did do a couple good ones), but to have to sit through a concert is another thing altogether. Just like having to read today's drivel and not know if it's a bot or a person.

Fortunately Pelican has a first post hold until a mod approves. That isn't the case in most places. And the lemmings pile on all showing how knowledgeable they are to a non question. Quite funny actually, but not fun.

[masraum]

what about punk caused you to stop buying music?

[pwd72s]

As a fellow COB, (Crusty old bastid) I salute you, "zeke"...great opening post.

[GH85Carrera]

I gave up on radio about 2010. So many commercials, and lots of crappy music with just a few good songs. And the repetitions of some song over and over.

I changed to Pandora. If they try to slip in a bad song, a quick thumbs down, and it is never played again.

I have long been a science fiction fan, so I enjoy the fantasy world of Star Trek and the Marvel universe. It is just pure escape and fun. So many movies can slip in CGI and you will not now.

AI is here, and real. Trying to ignore it is like ignoring old age. It is going to happen no matter what you want, resistance is futile. Yea, you can put up a good fight and feel better but the rest of the planet just marches on. I will continue to enjoy CGI movies.

As a car guy, you really should see the animated movie Cars. It is a great movie, with a good message, and Sally Carrera is Hot!

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by masraum

what about punk caused you to stop buying music?

Good question. I know it was avant garde it its day. I think even David Bowie dabbled. Interesting I didn't get into DB until after he died and I don't like the majority of his music. But what is good is good and he seem to understand that if he laid down a good beat with some rhythm that the song would sell.

Punk didn't have that. You have to remember that I grew up on Phil Spector and the Beach Boys. I had to work back into blues and rockabilly beyond what Elvis and Jerry Lee put out. Sam Phillips was a genius. Somehow IDT he would have embraced Punk.

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I gave up on radio about 2010. So many commercials, and lots of crappy music with just a few good songs. And the repetitions of some song over and over.

I changed to Pandora. If they try to slip in a bad song, a quick thumbs down, and it is never played again.

I have long been a science fiction fan, so I enjoy the fantasy world of Star Trek and the Marvel universe. It is just pure escape and fun. So many movies can slip in CGI and you will not now.

AI is here, and real. Trying to ignore it is like ignoring old age. It is going to happen no matter what you want, resistance is futile. Yea, you can put up a good fight and feel better but the rest of the planet just marches on. I will continue to enjoy CGI movies.

As a car guy, you really should see the animated movie Cars. It is a great movie, with a good message, and Sally Carrera is Hot!

Glen, I did listen for a few years to streams like Pandora. It was a great way to explore. Sampling bit in iTunes was productive or I never would have found some of Van Morrison's later bluesy music which is fabulous. As I said, there are many exceptions out of the 1000's of releases.

I get that about "Cars." I just never had the chance or opportunity to sit down with the whole thing. I've seen enough clips to agree with you. Larry the Cable Guy as the tow truck is classic. I'll have to do that.

But you see, I also grew up with cartoons like Disney and Warner Bros. So a movie like Cars would not be like CGI to me even if no drawing was ever produced.

And I agree that I surely have missed many CGI instances because I watched the original "Fast and Furious." And I would admit that many (not that many) CGI explosions are better than what the pyrotechnicians try on the set. Little fires everywhere in a scene look stupid. That's not how fires work that I've seen.

But I'll stand pat on the fact that when the written word can't be determined as all human, then I don't trust reading. Someone said please don't muck up the pics thread with AI images. I agree with that. The gorilla on the motorcycle was intellectually vacant. There was no humor or irony, nothing. Why waste your brain?

[masraum]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I gave up on radio about 2010. So many commercials, and lots of crappy music with just a few good songs. And the repetitions of some song over and over.

I changed to Pandora. If they try to slip in a bad song, a quick thumbs down, and it is never played again.

My parents had stereo equipment and listened to music as far back as I can remember (turn table & reel-to-reel player in the early 70s). I had a stereo of some sort from the time I was 11 or 12, I think. When I was a little older, I bought lots of cassettes and CDs. I completely stopped listening to the radio, I think, around 2004-2005. Initially it was an iPod, but then I eventually switched to Pandora, which is great because I'm not still having to buy music, and have been introduces to lots of stuff that I may not otherwise have experienced. Occasionally I'll hear a song in a movie or show or Pandora will toss something odd at me and I'll go down the rabbit hole of a new genre.

I have long been a science fiction fan, so I enjoy the fantasy world of Star Trek and the Marvel universe. It is just pure escape and fun. So many movies can slip in CGI and you will not now.

AI is here, and real. Trying to ignore it is like ignoring old age. It is going to happen no matter what you want, resistance is futile. Yea, you can put up a good fight and feel better but the rest of the planet just marches on. I will continue to enjoy CGI movies.

As a car guy, you really should see the animated movie Cars. It is a great movie, with a good message, and Sally Carrera is Hot!

Yep, I can escape into books or movies and suspend disbelief readily. I assume I just connect back to my inner 12 yo.

In my teens I read comic books. Disney (old) and Pixar (new) animation and Japanese anime (especially from Studio Ghibli) are all very entertaining.

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

...Trying to ignore it is like ignoring old age. It is going to happen no matter what you want, resistance is futile. Yea, you can put up a good fight and feel better but the rest of the planet just marches on. I will continue to enjoy CGI movies.

I think this is noble advice, but only for those it makes happy.

There's nothing wrong with listening to The Beatles, using a land-line phone, and never logging onto a computer. If that makes someone happy, they should do it. The ability to ignore change is a big perk of being older and financially independent.

What's not reasonable is to complain about change. So what if younger people like hip-hop, AI, and electric vehicles? Good for them. Those things make them happy. And one day, in the their old age, those will be the familiar things they cling to.

The net... It's okay to eschew change. It's not okay to be cranky about it.

[Zeke]

Well, Capt. jump on the wagon and call me 'cranky' or a curmudgeon as many have. However, I don't see where that is not "okay."

What's the difference if I had posted about a negative feeling for car dealerships? Am I still cranky?

[Dixie]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Well, Capt. jump on the wagon and call me 'cranky' or a curmudgeon as many have. However, I don't see where that is not "okay."

What's the difference if I had posted about a negative feeling for car dealerships? Am I still cranky?

Im sorry you took offense. It wasn't my intent to be insulting. Really, it was just the opposite.

And yeah, expressing negative feelings about car dealerships is cranky, but that's okay. I'm a cranky a** bi*** about dealerships. I just don't expect everyone to feel and act the same. That's my point.

[Zeke]

I seem to note a lot of "I's" in my first post. So I'm not expecting everyone to feel and act the same.

"I" was expressing my POV. I didn't expect someone like cockerpunk to agree with me in the very least. Or you if it matters and it doesn't to me.

What I am about nowadays is an awareness that now and then a culture game changer appears and it is my belief that AI now in the hands of the proletariat is yet another big step for society. I think history has shown us that we don't always handle these shifts in the best way.

For instance (and I think there is a bearing here) we have always had thieves, cheats and grifters. The Internet opened up the floodgates.

As a single example, eBay started off as a pretty decent option to sell things and over time became a contemptible gamble. The nature of people see that anything and everything can be manipulated for the unscrupulous.

I decry the very simple cell phone. What was a handy tool for communication has become the elephant in the room. For sure not all are going to see that. Especially those that never knew a time when there weren't any.

[jcommin]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I gave up on radio about 2010. So many commercials, and lots of crappy music with just a few good songs. And the repetitions of some song over and over.

I changed to Pandora. If they try to slip in a bad song, a quick thumbs down, and it is never played again.

I have long been a science fiction fan, so I enjoy the fantasy world of Star Trek and the Marvel universe. It is just pure escape and fun. So many movies can slip in CGI and you will not now.

AI is here, and real. Trying to ignore it is like ignoring old age. It is going to happen no matter what you want, resistance is futile. Yea, you can put up a good fight and feel better but the rest of the planet just marches on. I will continue to enjoy CGI movies.

As a car guy, you really should see the animated movie Cars. It is a great movie, with a good message, and Sally Carrera is Hot!

I have said this is other posts: you gravitate towards the music when you were young, and in your teens. I'm an old rock n roller and my musical taste changed around 1980, I was 30 yrs old. Not into punk, disco, new wave or heavy metal. I'm not into rap either or EDM music although I like old school rap: Public Enemy, Run DMC, Grand Master Flash.


I'm live in Chicago and I'm a loyal WXRT listener. Great station for the type of music I like. However, I think most FM radio is garbage. My children live in states east of me and when I drive, I listen to my own music I have on a SD card. I have well over 9000 songs of various types. I don't get annoyed with talk, a specific type or repetition. I add to it constantly.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I guess I'm in the belief that if there is a stunt to be shot, the stunt should be done for real.

One of the things I appreciate when watching older films is the creativity and skills used to generate the special effects. Long before green screens, motion capture and CGI, effects were created by model makers and technicians who figured out how to make things happen, and who then built props and entire scenes (often in miniature) to help tell the story. Glass matte painting and backdrops were also used to create backgrounds that would've been difficult and/or expensive to actually build, but these were all done by hand too.

The "how'd-they-do-that" factor is now completely absent from modern filmmaking. Yes, today's special effects can be truly dazzling, but rather than being the product of teams of skilled artisans designing effects and building them by hand, it's all now done by a handful of programmers sitting at sophisticated workstations. Not nearly as interesting to me as it once was...

[pwd72s]

[ramonesfreak]

Turning off the radio to avoid punk is like trying to avoid being eaten by a shark by not taking a bath.

With the exception of a couple clash tunes, punk (the real stuff…if there is such a thing) was not and is still not played on the radio except college and Indy radio programs…unless you are someone who considers Blondie and Talking Heads punk because they too played CBGB. If there ever was an original punk, it was the killer, Jerry Lee that’s for sure. Punk, in the 70s, was nothing more than a return to basic DIY rock and roll in response to progressive rock and then disco. A revolution (a revolt against, not a presentation of something new) that was eventually and unfortunately consumed by fashion statements and spitting. The “punk” label, as a marketing strategy is tragic and unfortunate.

Wikipedia calls the MC5 a “rock” band. So are they punk? Not sure it matters….only reason it matters to me is it makes it easier to know where to start looking in the bins at the record store

[Por_sha911]

I understand the frustration with everything being "fake". I am one of those cranky old people who despise photos that have the saturation overly pushed to unnatural levels. It takes away from the natural beauty of the outdoor. Similarly, auto tune and digital musical composition has eliminated the admiration of real talent. Hence:




On a side note, I read "Fortunately Pelican has a first post hold until a mod approves."
and said "Wait, what?" I guess you mean every first thread by a new person?

[Otter74]

Zeke, it’s OK to be a cranky-sounding old guy

I’m not cranky and I’m not old, but I’ll inevitably be more of both.

But I can’t hear someone complain about punk without posting this:

[72doug2,2S]

I rediscovered vinyl about 2015 and haven't looked back. My LP collection is approaching 800. Discogs.com is great for organizing, info, and shopping used worldwide. My sweet spot is '60s and '70s rock and blues.

I'm into reading about the different pressings and which dead wax code to look for.
Another great site below.
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/forums/music-corner.2/

I have CDs, but rarely listen to them. My wife and decided no more tv commercials, radio commercials, talk radio, or MSM. We gather news from different sources and watch Max, prime, Netflix, Tubi, and YouTube

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak

Turning off the radio to avoid punk is like trying to avoid being eaten by a shark by not taking a bath.

Often the song's story is so profound and deep the genre is meaningless.

The best example I can think of is Sheena is a Punk Rocker by the Ramones. All of her friends went to a disco but she was different and had to "break away" and go to New York City to experience her true passion, punk rock.

This shiet is epic.

Not sure if you have heard the tune.

[Series900]

Try this out. Get back to us.
https://www.vermontpublic.org/show/my-place

Joel has been hosting this show for 20+ years. Always interesting, weaving a theme , highlighting a songwriter, providing background to the music. Unfortunate that the show can only be replayed for two weeks, then gone but the discography. I find his knowledge and interests unique in a dead radio world.
Stream it Saturday night at 7pm or Replay stream for two weeks on VPR.org

[vash]

there is an old dude retiring this month. I have somehow been selected to be on a special committee to ROAST HIM at his retirement party.

I know the guy well. met him 20 years ago. one thing I noticed he doesnt change. same likes, same dislikes. he tells the same damn stories. on repeat. and he keeps talking about the good old days.

I called him last week and asked him how thick his skin was. he said, "bring it". I am not bringing it. I honestly don't think he could handle it. he made his own retirement flyer. looking at it, you would think he is retiring from the NAVY, and not our engineering gig. hahahha.. roasting him gently is going to be super effen easy. I'll just string along a bunch of old people stereotypes.

I found him a vintage RUSH concert t-shirt and that is what I got him as a gift. he ONLY likes RUSH. dude has a love for anthemic rock ballads.

Me? no..I refuse to be the BLOCKBUSTER video of old people. I hate change, but I embrace the stuff and face it head on. I want people to enjoy being around me when I am an old effer. especially my wife and family. good attitude, and happy demeanor. we are responsible for the energy we put out there.

AI music. IRONY that the song is about hating the world and wanting to blow it up...like with human looking attack robots, perhaps?