What happened to the Mulholland "King of the Hill" RSR?

[CRE]

Originally Posted by Banning

Hi Tom,
You are most welcome, keep up the excellent work.

I believe that to be fair to the other groups, Mulholland groups should be represented by the times they were in. For example, if the track layout is from 1968 the signs should read MRA, if the track layout is from 1972 the signs should say CRE, if the track layout is from 1975 the signs should read TVL, if the track is from 1978 the signs should read ACR and so forth. The MIRRC signs of Dereks would fit in with present day perfectly since that's where they are from.

Many of the CRE members were either SCCA turn workers or racers and should be able to assist you with the snack bars and other details.

Keep up the good work...and congratulations on your project.

Best regards, Chris Banning

Actually Chris, the CRE group began in the summer of 1971. Just when MRA was winding down. I found out about Mulholland from a MRA member and took a first look at Mulholland with the MRA guys racing Mini's there. A LOT of Mini's! It was the Mini racers that informed me that the serious racers came up on Wednesdays as there were fewer 'spectators' and more 'racing' late at night on Wednesday. Needless to say the early CRE group began showing up on Wed. as well as Friday and Saturday.

[CRE]

Originally Posted by lfot

Maybe try the Mulholland track in a way you could run one way then simulate going back the opposite direction on the same road. Maybe a loop in that respect.

EXCELLENT IDEA! Tom could create a tight u-turn at Coldwater and then another at the houses sweeper (skyline). That was our normal race course.
On occassion we would run to Laurel and sometimes onto the Hollywood Frwy.
But, not very often.

And when the mood struck we could go from Grandstands to the San Diego Frwy. But, often shut down just before the Fire Station, past the two "tit" corners prior to Beverly Glen.

I spoke to Tom last night and he said that it was indeed possible! Man, that would be cool wouldn't it? Give the world a chance to take on Mulholland! The challenge would be to get all the 'bumps' and camber changes right.
Now that would be a trick!

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by CRE

EXCELLENT IDEA! I spoke to Tom last night and he said that it was indeed possible! Man, that would be cool wouldn't it? Give the world a chance to take on Mulholland! The challenge would be to get all the 'bumps' and camber changes right.
Now that would be a trick!

Sheesh. Why stop at just bumps and camber? Throw in the cracks in the pavement, gravel and rocks, water runoff from houses/lawns, surprise bicyclists, and such to make it truly realistic.

[lfot]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Sheesh. Why stop at just bumps and camber? Throw in the cracks in the pavement, gravel and rocks, water runoff from houses/lawns, surprise bicyclists, and such to make it truly realistic.

And the ability to turn off your lights and drive by the moonlight!

[CRE]

Originally Posted by Noah930

Sheesh. Why stop at just bumps and camber? Throw in the cracks in the pavement, gravel and rocks, water runoff from houses/lawns, surprise bicyclists, and such to make it truly realistic.

Yes, absolutely! And the occassion that Charlie would open up the fire hydrant at Carl's turn. Man, that would give you a thrill if you had not pre-run the course.

Then, maybe we could get him to create a sim of dirt Franklin. Complete with
people parked in the middle of the road making out.

[Jeremy Cottrell]

And lets not forget about police cars coming the other way, or parked on the side of the road.

Oh, and the occasional deer which will jump out in front of your car. Yes, I hit 2!!

[CRE]

Originally Posted by lfot

And the ability to turn off your lights and drive by the moonlight!

Actually, he has that! A guy was running a sim yesterday and the sim he was using was at night in prep for the upcoming 25 hours of Thunderhill and as I watched Tom reached down flipped a switch on the sim dash and TURNED THE LIGHTS ON! I was blown away that he had wired the dash in a sim with a headlamp switch!

Now the trick would be to have Charlie coming the opposite direction with HIS headlights OFF!

Right Dave B?

[lfot]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Cottrell

And lets not forget about police cars coming the other way, or parked on the side of the road.

Oh, and the occasional deer which will jump out in front of your car. Yes, I hit 2!!

I hit one in my Corolla.

[lfot]

Originally Posted by CRE

Actually, he has that! A guy was running a sim yesterday and the sim he was using was at night in prep for the upcoming 25 hours of Thunderhill and as I watched Tom reached down flipped a switch on the sim dash and TURNED THE LIGHTS ON! I was blown away that he had wired the dash in a sim with a headlamp switch!

Now the trick would be to have Charlie coming the opposite direction with HIS headlights OFF!

Right Dave B?

If he could Sim a flared Datsun 510 or Mini, or maybe even a Tempest Station Wagon... oh yeah!

[Noah930]

I've nearly hit a deer on Mul...on my bicycle. That thing took 3 steps to come down a hillside, leap across the road about 10 feet in front of me, and disappear down the other side. Incredibly graceful, seeing as how I didn't get taken out by it.

Originally Posted by lfot

If he could Sim a flared Datsun 510 or Mini, or maybe even a Tempest Station Wagon... oh yeah!

As we were finishing up our Sunday morning run in Angeles Crest last weekend, coming up the hill in the other direction was some 510 group. Very neat to see one of those sporting BRE warpaint.

[Jeremy Cottrell]

[TooTall]

Originally Posted by CRE

Now the trick would be to have Charlie coming the opposite direction with HIS headlights OFF!

And when he goes by he can throw a beer can at you.

Kurt O.

[TomPabst]

You guys have gone completely over the top! LOL.....

How about if I make the Mulholland Sim so the cops will chase you, but only if you go by them over 90 mph?

I can easily put naked girls on the side of the road, too?

Water across the road surface, falling rocks, leaping deer.....that stuff is all easy! I can make it so you can run the Mulholland sim in a full rain storm if you'd like?

Seriously, though.....I could theoretically program a simulation of the the Mulholland run you guys used to make but from a practical standpoint, probably ain't going to happen. I was answering Ron "theoretically" the other night when he asked me about this idea. I figure it would take around 600 man-hours.......those I don't have any spares of at the moment. Now if five or six of you guys could learn how to program 3D world hex code....????....we'd get that baby done in about six months! Who is game?

You guys are scary sometimes! LOL.....

Tom

[Banning]

Originally Posted by CRE

EXCELLENT IDEA! Tom could create a tight u-turn at Coldwater and then another at the houses sweeper (skyline). That was our normal race course.
On occassion we would run to Laurel and sometimes onto the Hollywood Frwy.
But, not very often.

And when the mood struck we could go from Grandstands to the San Diego Frwy. But, often shut down just before the Fire Station, past the two "tit" corners prior to Beverly Glen.

I spoke to Tom last night and he said that it was indeed possible! Man, that would be cool wouldn't it? Give the world a chance to take on Mulholland! The challenge would be to get all the 'bumps' and camber changes right.
Now that would be a trick!

Why would you turn around just before Beverly Glen? Was there a reason why you didn't go to the 405? Just curious.

[Banning]

Originally Posted by lfot

And the ability to turn off your lights and drive by the moonlight!

DON'T FORGET THE FOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!

[Banning]

Originally Posted by CRE

Yes, absolutely! And the occassion that Charlie would open up the fire hydrant at Carl's turn. Man, that would give you a thrill if you had not pre-run the course.

Then, maybe we could get him to create a sim of dirt Franklin. Complete with
people parked in the middle of the road making out.

Don't forget Dixie Canyon. Lots more fun than Franklin Canyon.

[Banning]

Jeff sent me this Excerpt from The Outlaw Bible of American Literature, by Alan Kaufman, Neil Ortenberg, Barney Rosset. Page 177. I thought that most of you would find it interesting.


McQueen was fearless. His old buddy Bud Ekins once told me a great story about Steve getting busted by Hollywood cops. They’d been trying for ages to trap Steve as he screamed up and down Mulholland in the Hollywood hills. It’s a crowded residential area now, but back in the ‘60s it was still the wilds, and a lot of us used to tear up and down the winding street from the coast on up high into the hills. I had an old Jensen, and McQueen proudly raced his rare D-Model Jaguar- basically a Le Mans racer that was technically not street legal, something he got around with a bit of fame and intimidation at the DMV, I’d imagine.
For most of us speeding along the same route, the cops just let us go. One cop told me once that they’d wait until we crash…no sense in risking their own lives chasing us. With McQueen, though, the stakes were higher. It was a game. They’d set speed traps and do everything they could to nab him on his midnight runs, but his Jag ran circles around the cop's old clunky Fords.
Until one night: trapped by a line of cruisers, McQueen finally got nabbed. It was all fun and games until the cops hauled him away to a Hollywood police station and threw him in a cell. At first he kept laughing that it was all a game of cat and mouse, and that they weren’t really going to throw the book at him…they were just pissed since it took so long to catch him. The longer he sat in the cell though, the more worried he got that maybe he really was facing some charges. The one thing that meant everything to him was his driver’s license.
Then one of the cops came in and opened the cell door. “You’re right, we’re just lucking with you, you’re free to go.”
It did get McQueen to stop doing his midnight runs up and down Mulholland in the Jag, however.

[Jeff Hail]

Thank's Derek!

[lfot]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hail

Thank's Derek!

Cool!
Where's a pic of you in a t-shirt?

[porcupine911]

and why isn't the mulholland thread on screen?!