ron paul..wow

[legion]

Originally Posted by 70SATMan

Shhhhhhh, Don't tell Pat Robertson that

Or Hillary...
Or Nancy...

[Jim727]

Very interesting stuff. I have concluded that there are no candidates that accurately represent my priority set, but I really find John Galt - er - Ron Paul interesting. Question is whether there are any deal-killers in the mix.

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[mattdavis11]

"If a lot of people voted in the primary for a candidate they liked the least, we'd stand a better chance of electing the candidate we like the most."

Matt Davis

Who here likes the idea of a unitary primary?

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

So if you were the boss of Iran you would actually consider a nuclear attack on one of the other Arab/Muslim nations of the Middle East or Israel?

Or maybe on China, Russia, or the USA?

You need to get a reality check my friend. Those folks in Iran may be goofy but they do not have a death wish!

Can you say suicide bomber? I think ya can.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Can you say suicide bomber? I think ya can.

We were talking about Iran possibly attacking another nation. What does that have to do with any suicide bomber? It's goofy to think that we can stop suicide bombers by attacking Iran.

The second biggest suicide attack in the USA was done by some nut from NY using kerosene and fertilizer. So what's your plan to prevent that from happening again...invade NY and shut down the farm supply stores?

[speeder]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

The second biggest suicide attack in the USA was done by some nut from NY using kerosene and fertilizer. So what's your plan to prevent that from happening again...invade NY and shut down the farm supply stores?

Which attack was this? If you are referring to Oklahoma City, he did not die in the attack. FWIW, I agree w/ you 100% about the bull schit "War on Terror", which is nothing but a big bogey-man for some very shady people to profit from. Worst sham ever put over on the American people.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

We were talking about Iran possibly attacking another nation. What does that have to do with any suicide bomber? It's goofy to think that we can stop suicide bombers by attacking Iran.

You made a statement that Iranians do not want to die. This may not true, based on suicide bombings in Iraq by Iranians. You cannot put a Western (and by that I do mean Christian) notion onto the Iranians. They may feel perfectly OK being destroyed, and going to heaven and getting 42 virgins for each of them (I hope that Allah can keep up with the demand), as long as they Destroy their enemy in the process.

Originally Posted by WI wide body

The second biggest suicide attack in the USA was done by some nut from NY using kerosene and fertilizer. So what's your plan to prevent that from happening again...invade NY and shut down the farm supply stores?

Which attack are you talking about? And for your information, they are now tagging all dry fertilizer.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by red-beard

You made a statement that Iranians do not want to die. This may not true, based on suicide bombings in Iraq by Iranians. You cannot put a Western (and by that I do mean Christian) notion onto the Iranians. They may feel perfectly OK being destroyed, and going to heaven and getting 42 virgins for each of them (I hope that Allah can keep up with the demand), as long as they Destroy their enemy in the process.



Which attack are you talking about? And for your information, they are now tagging all dry fertilizer.

Iran is a nation of nearly 70,000,000 million and you are simply incorrect if you think that most of them "want" to die. That is absurd. Of course they have nut cases...but so we do we. (present company excluded)

As for "suicide" pers se...you may be interested to know that the USA has a higher suicide rate than Iran. Go figure.

You ask what other terrorist "attack" with-in the USA? Where in the world were you on April 19, 1995? The fact that Americans can so easily overlook such a horrific act is unbelievable. And if we are doing that because it was done by an American it is a sad commentary on us and borderline despicable.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by speeder

Which attack was this? If you are referring to Oklahoma City, he did not die in the attack. FWIW, I agree w/ you 100% about the bull schit "War on Terror", which is nothing but a big bogey-man for some very shady people to profit from. Worst sham ever put over on the American people.

You are obviously correct I have no clue why I used that term. Could be the alzheimers kicking in.

Naturally it was a "terrorist" attack and I that's what I meant. Thanks for the heads-up.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by mattdavis11

"If a lot of people voted in the primary for a candidate they liked the least, we'd stand a better chance of electing the candidate we like the most."

Matt Davis

Who here likes the idea of a unitary primary?

That may be the only chance we have left. I think that Jacksonville has tried it and maybe someone from there has some input.

It sure makes more sense than letting the two major parties dictate to us...especially when there is virtually not a dime's difference between them in most cases.

[red-beard]

The OKC bombing was planned and excuted from near Ft Riley in Kansas. Why bring up the fact that he was born in NYS? Why would you attack NYS, when he purchased the materials in Kansas?

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by red-beard

The OKC bombing was planned and excuted from near Ft Riley in Kansas. Why bring up the fact that he was born in NYS? Why would you attack NYS, when he purchased the materials in Kansas?

The point was not that he was born in NY...or that part of his attack was executed from KS...or that McVeigh might have passed thru other states...or that he won the Bonze Star while fighting in Iraq. Those are all true but irrelevant

The point was that we, just like Iran, have our fair share of nut cases.

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

Those folks in Iran may be goofy but they do not have a death wish!

Uh...yeah they do, a death wish for us. They fund Hezbollah at the cyclic rate.

[WI wide body]

Originally Posted by Snapper33

Uh...yeah they do, a death wish for us. They fund Hezbollah at the cyclic rate.

And who "funded" the overthrow of one of Iran's popular leaders and installed an evil despot that resulted in the radical religious mullahs to take over?

Also, care to guess how many people have died in Israel in 2007 in those "Hezbollah" attacks you mention? Contrary to what most of the jerks in the US Senate seem to think, it's less than the kids we lose in school shootings...much much less.

What exactly has Iran done to the USA over the past two decades?

Both Bush's good buddy Vincente Fox and China have done a hell of a lot more damage to our nation over that time span than Iran could ever hope to do.

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by WI wide body

And who "funded" the overthrow of one of Iran's popular leaders and installed an evil despot that resulted in the radical religious mullahs to take over?

Also, care to guess how many people have died in Israel in 2007 in those "Hezbollah" attacks you mention? Contrary to what most of the jerks in the US Senate seem to think, it's less than the kids we lose in school shootings...much much less.

What exactly has Iran done to the USA over the past two decades?

Both Bush's good buddy Vincente Fox and China have done a hell of a lot more damage to our nation over that time span than Iran could ever hope to do.

I don't need to take any gussses, I have the data.

I agree with your statement on Fox and China, no doubt. What has Iran done? C'mon, it's all about what's in their plans. We DO track that.

[NICKG]

Originally Posted by Snapper33

Uh...yeah they do, a death wish for us. They fund Hezbollah at the cyclic rate.

and WE fund Isreal..to them a TERRORIST STATE

have some perspective, please
WE overthrew a democratic government, WE refused to extradite a WAR criminal (the shah) when they ASKED. WE initiated this cold war with Iran...don't they deserve to have a solemn nation, free from our meddling?

This is one of Ron Paul's best points! we get what we give..and stupid blind people don't get that because they are "scared" by our bully regime that is "protecting" them from "terrorists"...meanwhile they trample our civil rights and conduct secret surveilance on the VERY citizens they "claim" to "protect"
and we worry about Iran? somewhere we lost the idea that was the USA...
Our founding fathers would be turning over in their graves

[Hard-Deck]

Originally Posted by NICKG

and WE fund Isreal..to them a TERRORIST STATE

have some perspective, please

I have perspective and the data. The topic was Iran. If it had been Israel I might have made a statement similar.

I like your little mad face....sorry to get you worked up.

[Rearden]

Originally Posted by Groesbeck Hurricane

Guys,

Look at Dr. Paul's record in congress. He rarely waivers, he tells you what he thinks, he tells you what he will do. He is consistent.

Tim Russert exposed him on MTP. Here is what Paul does: adds earmarks to spending bills, doesn't vote for the bill (everybody else does), then claims he's against earmarks. Typical Washington nonsense.

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by Rearden

Tim Russert exposed him on MTP. Here is what Paul does: adds earmarks to spending bills, doesn't vote for the bill (everybody else does), then claims he's against earmarks. Typical Washington nonsense.

Just proof that, when you make a deal with the devil, you're the junior partner. Paul probably has to do this to make some constituents happy and keep his seat. I'd say it's a lot better that he's in Congress than gets replaced by someone who adds far more earmarks AND votes for the spending bills. I don't like it either, but it's the system we have and I'd like there to be a lot more of them like Paul.

[NICKG]

they ALL add earmarks....that is how they do things