Oh no, not again.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by mreid

Let's get real about this for a second. The fact that cities with the highest incidents of gun violence have the tightest gun restrictions is true, but...

...this is a smokescreen used by those paranoid, conspiracy theorists in an attempt to scare people into believing their delusion that the government is coming to get them. Facts are that if it wasn't for unrestricted access outside these controlled areas, some of these restrictions could actually work. Here's my plan:

1. Mandatory national background checks paid for by the individual wanting to buy a gun. Includes finger printing and screen for criminal history.

2. You want to buy a gun? You waive your HIPAA rights to have your mental health history reviewed as part of the background check.

3. Mandatory two week waiting period to allow the background check to be completed.

4. National concealed carry law that doesn't make me a criminal when I CCW across state lines even though I'm fully licensed in my current state (as part of this you must complete item 1 above even if you already have a CCW license).

5. All of the above work in concert to allow sane, law abiding American citizens the right to protect themselves from criminals who will pay no attention to any of the above.

Signed - a lifetime member of the NRA and proud citizen of the United States.

Makes sense to me. The NRA lobby probably has an objection to every point. Personally, I think #5 is problematic. Individual states still have rights in other areas, why not this one?

[mreid]

We can only address this issue at the national level through a consistent approach. Any differences create a situation where the weakest approach becomes the standard for all.

[crb07]

The truth about gun deaths: numbers and actual solutions « Hot Air

[GH85Carrera]

What really needs to happen with the mass shooting is we need to pass laws that make it illegal to shoot or kill people. Just a simple change in the law to make it illegal to commit murder will stop it all. If only we had some laws against killing people.

[Crowbob]

Witnesses say Oregon gunman handed something to student to give to authorities | Fox News

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Funny that Jeff didn't mention them. He specifically the NRA. Maybe you should tell him about this ILA.

They are one and the same. I use the broad "NRA" moniker for those of you whose only knowledge of the organization is through the mass media. None of you have ever heard of the ILA. I will put a finer point on it with more knowledgeable audiences, but try not to with you folks. Even with this new knowledge, would you ever bother to seek out information from the ILA? I doubt it. It's just easier to hold onto ignorant positions like this:

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Makes sense to me. The NRA lobby probably has an objection to every point. Personally, I think #5 is problematic. Individual states still have rights in other areas, why not this one?

I think you meant #4...

The NRA was actually instrumental in setting up the framework for NICS, the National Instant Check System through which today's background checks are carried out. We do not object to background checks, but we do object to waiting periods. They are not one and the same. What sense does it make to hold a gun buyer to a waiting period (otherwise known as a "cooling off" period) if they already own several guns? Why make them wait when the background check database is up to date, and the check can be performed instantly?

The NRA (excuse me, ILA...) has been very vocal about including mental health histories in background checks. It's actually been liberals (sympathetic to the many popular liberal afflictions, like HIV) that have worked the hardest to block the inclusion of this information through the passage of HIPAA.

As far as a universal, "federal" CCW, why not? Your drivers' license is recognized in every state. Your marriage license is recognized in every state, and liberals have fought tooth and nail for "marriage equality", one factor of which is reciprocity with states that provide marriage licenses to gays to states that do not. Why the hypocrisy?

[berettafan]

you know, if you had to avoid mood drugs to be able to own a gun I think it might be a good thing. heck waaaaaay too many people are walking around in medicated states these days. would be a good thing if more people avoided the quick fix and lived their lives experiencing all that is life.

[Gogar]

Unfortunately, stereotyping or asserting a blanket assessment of everyone taking psych drugs is just as bad as stereotyping or asserting a blanket assessment of everyone who owns a gun.

Even though, as mentioned earlier, I'm no fan of psych drugs and personally, (selfishly) think they are much more responsible than the gun.

That and our culture's fascination with the idea that everyone deserves to be happy "just because".

[JTO]

And now Brady is calling for the sheriff to resign? They have no authority of course but their delusion is psychotic! Luckily the sheriff has broad support.
Troy

[Christien]

Originally Posted by crb07

The truth about gun deaths: numbers and actual solutions « Hot Air

This article makes some excellent points. The 300,000+ figure of gun deaths over the last 10 years is useless, because it includes accidents and suicides. If 2011 is representative, fully 2/3 of that # is due to suicide.

But back that # down to 1/3, or about 100,000, and terrorism still only accounts for only 3% of deaths. I don't know the actual figures, but I'll bet gov't spending on anti-terrorism measures is many, many times that spent on fixing the issues that lead to murders, gun-related or otherwise. That, IMO, is a colossal failure.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by Gogar

Unfortunately, stereotyping or asserting a blanket assessment of everyone taking psych drugs is just as bad as stereotyping or asserting a blanket assessment of everyone who owns a gun.

Even though, as mentioned earlier, I'm no fan of psych drugs and personally, (selfishly) think they are much more responsible than the gun.

That and our culture's fascination with the idea that everyone deserves to be happy "just because".

You can't have a pilot's license when under prescription for many drugs. Why? Because you could kill someone. I don't see why guns are any different. I'm very pro-second amendment but don't see the wisdom in selling to people with tangible reasons for concern.

Btw, I totally agree with your societal opinions. Everybody is a winner....but they aren't. Everybody is equal.....but they aren't. Everybody DESERVES happiness/stuff/money/love/success.....but they don't. There's a huge disconnect between many of the messages that our PC society conveys and the true reality of life, particularly when it comes to the last several generations of kids.

[berettafan]

Pilot thing is interesting.

How do you deal with a guy with a big collection who is diagnosed one day?

[Racerbvd]

Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

You can't have a pilot's license when under prescription for many drugs. Why? Because you could kill someone. I don't see why guns are any different. I'm very pro-second amendment but don't see the wisdom in selling to people with tangible reasons for concern.

Btw, I totally agree with your societal opinions. Everybody is a winner....but they aren't. Everybody is equal.....but they aren't. Everybody DESERVES happiness/stuff/money/love/success.....but they don't. There's a huge disconnect between many of the messages that our PC society conveys and the true reality of life, particularly when it comes to the last several generations of kids.

A pilots licence is a Privilege, gun ownership is a Right.

Guns aren't the only thing used in mass killing.



And it isn't new



This Officer gets it
And this is so true..
And remember who was against Drug Testing for Welfare, this overlaps.

Since many, if not most of the mass killers have been so impaired that they were unable to hold jobs, and since they weren't living on the street, there is a very high probability that they were collecting SSI disability payments.

Why not include individuals receiving SSI payments for psychiatric and neurological diagnoses in the NICS data base?

CCW saves lives. The right person died in this video.


This says it best about GC.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

What really needs to happen with the mass shooting is we need to pass laws that make it illegal to shoot or kill people. Just a simple change in the law to make it illegal to commit murder will stop it all. If only we had some laws against killing people.

+1 You are wise beyond your years.

For me........I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

+1 You are wise beyond your years.

For me........I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

People who own Turbos are communists.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

People who own Turbos are communists.

Ronnie = No essence.

Check Peter Sellers at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

[jyl]

More info. The killer had bought many guns, and so had his mother, who was something of a gun nut herself. Multiple ARs and AKs, pistols, etc.

He had been admitted to a psych hospital, was intermittently on psych meds, sometimes wouldn't take them, the mother knew all of this - they lived together - and she was a nurse and well informed on mental illness issues.

She seems to have been somewhat in denial, told people her son was doing great, in college, etc. In reality he was a loner who was apparently seldom at school and was a gun nut.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/06/us/mother-of-oregon-gunman-wrote-of-keeping-firearms.html?_r=0&referer=http://news.google.com/news/m/more?ncl=d7WxxCg7QajH4BMn_dpJagEzd2TiM&authuser=0&ned=us&topic=n

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Bob Kontak

Ronnie = No essence.

Check Peter Sellers at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

Explains everything, ties it all together.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

Explains everything, ties it all together.

Yes, yes it does.

God bless Stanley Kubrick. (RIP)

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by jyl

sometimes wouldn't take them

Bingo.