My man cave build

[tevake]

Whoa, better yet. Would you plan on making the base of the wall wider then tapper toward the top, for stability and strength at the bottom?

I'm liking this plan! How would the cost compare to stackable blocks?

Cheers Richard

[javadog]

I'd build a wall with straight sides and tie it into a footing that extended into the hillside several feet, in effect making the whole thing shaped like an L. The weight of the soil above the footing would offset the overturning moment.

The materials for a concrete wall would be less than for a block wall, at least in my area. It would also be faster and more idiot-proof. He would have to excavate a little more of the hill on the back side to do it right but he's going to have to dig a footing anyway. He's going to dig it by hand; I'd dig it with a backhoe that costs me $60/hr.

[rfuerst911sc]

So now its turned into the great wall of China It's supposed to rain for the next 3-4 days . I'm going to keep my eye on how the dirt is currently graded to watch the runoff and areas that are not sloped correctly . I have to finish installing the radiator and a few small items and my JD garden tractor with mini front end loader will be ready . I figure while the dirt is wet it may be a good time to cut into/clean up the sides and back . Wet dirt is heavier but I'm hoping softer .

Once I get it cleaned up to my satisfaction I will have to pull the trigger on something as I will want to take advantage of the clean/squared up edges . Can I get a mini back hoe in there to dig footings I don't know ? Can I hire some day laborers to help dig yep . I will have to have some kind of footer regardless of if I go with stackable block , timbers , cement block or poured concrete . So if nothing else a trough of about a foot deep needs to be cut/dug to either be filled with concrete or gravel . For this weekend I'm switching gears to get my tractor going because it is the main tool I am going to use for this project .

Looking at the weather report I doubt the electrician will be able to do his thing until mid/late next week . I really need the electric line running from the house to the garage in place so I know EXACTLY where it is and how deep it is . I really want to avoid a STUPID mistake here !

[javadog]

Wet clay doesn't get softer with rain, as the water doesn't penetrate it well. It just gets slick as snot and makes a mess out of everything.

If you go with a concrete wall, you'll want a footing that is at least 3 feet wide, which means you will want to excavate about a 5 foot width of the bank, at a bare minimum, from where you want the outside of the finished wall to be. You would want to dig that from above, with a full-size backhoe, or track hoe.

[javadog]

This design sketch, stolen from the Internet, gives you the general idea.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by javadog

Wet clay doesn't get softer with rain, as the water doesn't penetrate it well. It just gets slick as snot and makes a mess out of everything.

A thousand percent correct. Let it dry first. You will only make a mess and get you equipment dirty.

Trust me. I have lived the dream. Be patient.

Originally Posted by javadog

You would want to dig that from above, with a full-size backhoe, or track hoe.

Again, spot on.

You can rent the right equipment and get it done efficiently. I rent on of these all the time:



Daily is $195 weekly is $580.

Can't beat the right tool for he job...and this is it for you.

[javadog]

Here's another piece of advice I keep giving that isn't making it to the discussion.

Most people will rent equipment to do whatever job they need doing. That's fine, you can rent anything. A better bet is just to hire somebody to do the work for you. I no longer have a need for doing this sort of work, as I more or less retired about 10 years ago, but I used to rent backhoes and trackhoes, with an operator, for about 60 bucks an hour with a four hour minimum. These were full-size machines, not the small ones that most of you would rent.

For this job, I would rent a full-size track hoe. The work will have to be done from above and that's too big a job for a small machine, like the one pictured above. It's about an hour's work for a normal trackhoe, so if you find somebody local and tell them they can do the job whenever they have free time in their schedule, they might make you a deal where they do it for less than their usual minimum.

The woods are full of independent backhoe, trackhoe and dozer operators.

[rfuerst911sc]

javadog I hear what you are saying but I am not going to do some large excavation , the earth has been cut by big equipment I'm just going to do some clean up cuts with my front end loader and it's done . I could probably just set large rocks/boulders " as is " and it would work . I normally try to do everything 100 % but in this case I'm going for good enough . Like I said earlier the ground has been exposed for 7 months now and it has been through rain/snow/sleet/high winds and NOTHING has moved or shifted except for a VERY small amount of dirt .

Today I got my tractor very close to running again in the next two days I should be good to go . Believe me I appreciate everyone's advice but this is not going to turn into some major over analysis of building the Hoover dam . This is a simple 5 ' high wall with two sidewalls . Am I being naive ? Maybe . Only time will tell .

[tevake]

You go with what works for you. As I see it , all here are just trying to share ideas, learn a bit, lend support. And enjoying your progress.

Carry on Bro!

Cheers Richard

[rfuerst911sc]

It rained all day yesterday , all last night and is raining now I'm a little grumpier than usual . The weather forecast after tomorrow not looking too bad so maybe it will dry up some . I'm going to finish the work I have left to go on the tractor today and hope to mount the mini front end loader either today or tomorrow . I've yet to install it since I purchased it last year so hopefully no surprises

Garage door guy supposed to stop by either today or tomorrow to give my framing a once over to make sure we're good to go . I will stay in contact with the electrician and hopefully get the electric installed sometime next week . I haven't heard anything from the insulation guy or the siding guy I guess they are too busy so will ping them again this coming week .

As soon as it stops raining and dries up a little I will install the four windows and the entry door , that will get them out of my already over loaded basement and get me a little closer to being water tight . At that point I pretty much HAVE to make a decision on the retaining walls . I need the back wall in place so I know where I can frame to for the compressor room concrete pad pour . I'm thinking the pad/room will either be 4 ' x 5 ' or 4 ' x 6 ' and that I will do by hand . Once that pad is poured I can frame up the room , get it sheathed in plywood , throw a metal roof on it and I'll be weather tight . I still have a LOT of work ahead of me .

[rfuerst911sc]

It is pouring rain out when is this crap going to stop ??? Anyway I finished the install of my mini front end loader today and it works great in the garage I have no grand illusions that this is a bulldozer but with a 16 hp three cylinder diesel , AG rear tires loaded with 8 gallons of WW fluid each plus 50 lb. wheel weights each side she should move a little dirt ! I was having fun in the garage lifting the front wheels off the ground with the bucket . Just need it to stop raining , dry up and I'll attempt to move some red GA. clay Enjoy the Olympics folks........ go USA !!!

[rfuerst911sc]

And it rains and it rains and it rains !!! The garage door guy stopped by last night said my framing is good and nothing else is needed . He did remind me to run the safety sensor wires in the wall while I had it open for a cleaner looking install . He is going to move forward with ordering the doors as it will take aprox. 2 weeks for them to come in . So in the next 2 - 3 weeks we need to get the electric in because the front wall where the doors install will also get an exterior outlet and a pair of spotlights . I then need to insulate and cover the interior in plywood . I want to paint it white while they are no rails or hardware in the way . And finally I want to wrap the interior of the door openings in painted aluminum/steel before the doors get installed .

Looks like rain is going to continue through Thursday at the least so electric install not looking good for this week . I have an insulation guy coming this morning to look over the job and provide options and pricing . I guess my nest task is finding the metal to wrap the garage door openings . I really wish the weather would give me a break .

[ckelly78z]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

It is pouring rain out when is this crap going to stop ??? Anyway I finished the install of my mini front end loader today and it works great in the garage I have no grand illusions that this is a bulldozer but with a 16 hp three cylinder diesel , AG rear tires loaded with 8 gallons of WW fluid each plus 50 lb. wheel weights each side she should move a little dirt ! I was having fun in the garage lifting the front wheels off the ground with the bucket . Just need it to stop raining , dry up and I'll attempt to move some red GA. clay Enjoy the Olympics folks........ go USA !!!

Sounds like a cool build. I just built a pallet fork frame for my John Deere 955 FEL. I pull 4 pins, drop the 52" bucket, and mount this frame with the same 4 pins. I can now pick up pallets, and carefully raise them to about 7' off the floor. I am also looking to use the same frame (with pallet forks removed) to mount a 9" or 12" wide digging bucket. I have 95# wheel weights on each wheel, and another 200# of round weights on my 3 point drawbar.....I still wish for more power, and weight, but can pick up about 1200#

[rfuerst911sc]

So about 30 minutes ago I went outside to start installing windows.......... it started raining ! I then decided to measure up the L.F. of aluminum trim I needed to go around the garage doors , the eyebrow roof fascia and the two long sides for fascia that will eventually go there . I have looked online , asked around and I could NOT find anyone to give a quote on doing the trim . I asked the garage door guy when he was here the other day and he only knows of one guy and he is so busy with new home construction that he would never take the time to come look at my garage . Nice to be busy .

So I went online and into local HD + Lowes........nada . Went to local real lumber yards.......nada . OK this is getting crazy It really shouldn't be this hard . Anyway found a website Custom Bent Aluminum Trim for Windows, Sills, and Fascia | Trim Bender and I placed my order this morning . Probably spent more there ( $350.70 ) than I maybe could have sourced locally but I need it now . So all the aluminum garage door trim/fascia covering is ordered and I should have in about 5 - 8 days . Ordered the nails at the same time so no extra trips to the store . By trimming everything in white aluminum no painting down the road in my senior years Most of the fascia will be covered with gutters anyway but I'm trying to plan for minimal maint. wherever I can .

The metal siding guy is going to " try " and show up today to look it over for an estimate on metal roofing to be installed as vertical siding . Apparently he's booked to the max also . I'm waiting on the insulation quote he showed up yesterday . Electrician still on hold due to weather . That's it for now from the soggy South

[rfuerst911sc]

Hey guys finally an update with progress ! So yesterday it was supposed to rain , I was watching the forecast and kept looking outside . Even though it was SUPPOSED to rain we weren't getting any and it was warm outside so I went for it . I am happy to report all four windows are installed and the side entry door is installed . This was the first time I have ever used flashing tape but all went as planned other than I ran about 5 ' short on the entry door . I will just caulk the brick mold and be done it will get J moulding around it anyway .

Unfortunately I am basically stopped now until we can get the electric in . The siding guy did show up he's hoping to get me a quote by today . Have not heard anything from the insulation guy If he waits much longer I will purchase and install myself . Here are pics of yesterdays progress .

[rfuerst911sc]

Just received a text from the insulation guy , total price is $1190.00 . That is to insulate all the walls with R19 fiberglass and the ceiling with R38 blown in fiberglass . That also includes caulking and foaming the base plates . I think this is a fair/reasonable price what do you guys think ? I have about 790 s.f. of wall space and 672 s.f. of ceiling .

I did some rough calculating online for what it would cost me to just buy the materials and it's in the neighborhood of $800.00 . They can do it in one day........ it would take me a bit of time . I think I will have them do the job when I'm ready for it .

Today I piddled around stapling the house wrap around some areas it was wrapped on the inside by the garage door openings . Did some measuring/figuring for the interior window openings and how I'll finish them . Also installed the entry lock/deadbolt on the entry door and keyed them to our house key . It sure is nice having one key fit EVERY door on the house and the garage , hopefully a thief never gets that one key .

[rfuerst911sc]

Received a text last night from the electrician , he's coming this Tuesday rain or shine As of today the forecast for Tuesday looking good so hope that holds . If we can get power in that will be a good step forward as I can then start installing interior plywood on the walls . I need to start thinking about pouring the pad for the compressor room .

[rfuerst911sc]

Today is the day for electrical install , got a text last night he'll be here around 10:00 as he is driving in from Alabama . Received a text then a phone call from the siding guy this morning , price is $1640.00 and they will try and start this Thursday ! I asked him on the phone this morning to throw on four more 10 ' panels just to make sure I have enough when I build the compressor room .

So IF everything goes as currently planned I will have power in the shop and the exterior will be finished by the end of this week or early next week at the latest . I am going with metal roofing installed vertically as my siding . Simple polar white in color and the exterior corners will be grey to match the roof outside corners . Unfortunately I think the insulation guy will be odd man out as I have to cut some corners to stay on budget . Found a guy on CL selling R19 Kraft faced insulation he has John Mansfield 133.68 s.f. bundles and Owens Corning 118.83 s.f. bundles for $50.00 each . If I go with the JM I only need 6 bundles @ $300.00 total . Need 7 if I go with pink panther @ $350.00 . Compared to Home Depot that's about $25.00 per bundle cheaper .

I may go ahead and buy enough to put down one layer in the ceiling , that would get me R19 for now and I can add blown in later on top . Not sure how many bundles I can get in the back of a 8 ' pickup bed ? So things have picked up speed and I will post pics as we proceed over the next weeks or so .

[rfuerst911sc]

Electrician couldn't make it yesterday he ran long at what was supposed to be an easy/quick job before mine . He is supposed to be here at 9:00 this morning . He said one day to do everything so " should " be done today . The aluminum trim I ordered for the fascias and garage door openings are supposed to be here tomorrow . Metal siding guys supposed to start tomorrow so just in time . I'll have to get the garage door trim done ASAP so they can install the siding on the front .

I was antsy/nervous yesterday I think I drove the wife nuts I just want to keep the momentum going and I don't do well waiting on others............. it's a character flaw . I still have a lot of work to go to complete the interior and I still have to frame up and pour the concrete for the compressor room . And then install the walls/roof for the compressor room . Oh and then there is that nasty retaining wall to deal with

[URY914]

You're right about keeping the momentum going. Small projects just stall out if one trade doesn't show it and it's holding someone else up. I deal with it all the time. I tell my project managers to always have a plan B and C to keep things moving. It's like juggling and keeping all the balls in the air.