3.6 rebuild - progress report

[ischmitz]

This past weekend my 3.6 engine rebuild project went from the stripped down short block



to something that finally looks like a 911 engine again:



Here is the gathering of some of the numerous people (left to right Tyson Schmidt, Ryan Wiliams, Mike Zois, and Dan Byers) that went out of their way to help out with tools, knowledge and supported my along the way. I was in way over my head and would not have managed to get there without them.



That's what this board is all about. Lot's of help and tremendous support from enthusiasts both online and in person. Once I get back from Boise this Friday it's final assembly time. I hope to have it running by the end of the weekend.

Ingo (currently in Boise)

[Bill Douglas]

Looks like fun. Well done guys.

[k9handler]

nice house!

[Shuie]

Ingo, have you posted the details of the rebuild before? Is it going back together as a stock 3.6 or are you changing P&C's, etc?

Nice job guys!

Ingo, why the rebuild? Thought you just swapped that in.

[Embs]

Ingo,

What's the story with this motor? I thought it only had 22k Miles or so on it? Also, do you have the belt minder hooked up? I junked mine when I went to the single pulley.

I am sure it will be really nice when your finished.

[ischmitz]

Todd, yes I use the belt minder. I made a little gizmo timer that operates the appropiate indicator light in the 993/964 gauges I have swapped in. In fact if you still have yours I would be interested in it because mine has a split in the wheel.

The motor had the well-known cylinder to head leak on all six barrels badly. I finally got tired of the oil burning up on my heat exchangers and decided to tear it down. My machinist Walt was baffeled when he found all six barrels beyond wear limits. Lot's of other oddities like a flat cam, broken valve springs, shot rockers, shot rod bearings, broken piston rings came up when I tore it down. Of course the exhaust guides where shot and the intake guides where not far from it. It's hard to tell what exactly happened to the motor in his previous life or how many miles were on it. Walt thinks it had been abused and ran with dirty oil.

I had Walt do the the head gasket update and all valve guides. I did nothing special performance wise since I don't want to embarras MikeZ even more when I step on it later. Just hotter cams and some safety upgrades (ARP rod bolts, 993 head studs). I hope it's going to be a reliable strong 3.6 when I am done.

[Embs]

Ingo,

PM me an address and I'll send the beltminder straight away. Bummer about the engine. I will NEVER buy a used engine again, unless I personally know the history. Buying used is a massive risk, once bitten....


So is this engine seller going to blow you off? Or will he step forward and reimburse you for half of the rebuild costs.... Since it appears that he basically sold you junk. I would think he should if he ever expects to sell ANOTHER engine to any member of this BBS.

[Joe Bob]

I had Walt do the the head gasket update and all valve guides. I did nothing special performance wise since I don't want to embarras MikeZ even more when I step on it later. Just hotter cams and some safety upgrades (ARP rod bolts, 993 head studs). I hope it's going to be a reliable strong 3.6 when I am done.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Learn how to shift and spell and you'll be fine.....%^B

[ischmitz]

Raaaaruuuummpf!!!!!!!!

[Speedster94]

hallo
The Engine was from me , when it left here it had no signs of Oilleaks , good Compression /leakdown etc. After Ingo drove it for 5000 Miles he decided to take care of a minor oilleak . When he removed the Shroud he discovered The leak was on the upperside of 3 Cylinders . There was no way i could have seen that without taken the Engine apart .
It is hard to say if it was or not . I paid Ingo 900$ and replaced the 3 Cylinders/Pistons and the Camshaft . I know it is only half of the repairbill ,but we agreed on that because it is :
1. a used Engine ,12 years old
2. it is uncertain when the damage appeared
3 . after 5000 Miles and 1 year
4 . The Damage has nothing to do with Mileage ,one Side looked like new the other side looked bad ,i have no idea why neither had Walt or Ingo . The Car that Engine came from was a Convertible with Body Damage ,those Cars are usually not driven hard and it had no "sporty"
accessories .
@Todd
It is all a matter of Price ,you can buy a good used 964 Engine for 6000,
one with Headgaskets for 7000 , or a rebuild one for 10.000 . You are a little hasty with your Comment before knowing the Facts .
As you know i always stand behind the Engines i sell and my Word .
@Ingo Please clear this matter
harald

[Bill Verburg]

Mine also came from Europe(I believe from Harold also) I had a total rebuild planned as part of the process. Everything was nominal upon disassembly. It should have been fine w/o any additional work.

[Jack Olsen]

Harald has supplied a lot of 3.6's to guys on this board, with great feedback across the board. Selling used motors is not like selling new pieces off the shelf, and there will always be the potential for problems (that Harald would only be able to find by tearing down the motor before he shipped it).

I haven't talked to Ingo about this, but it sounds like Harald stood by his sale very admirably.

As a data point, my motor arrived as it was described, and has been running like a tank (in regular track and street use) since October of 2000.

[Embs]

Harald,
Maybe a few people have been lucky (like Jack... surprise) But your basically selling beat up POS engines to anyone you can sucker into buying one. My first engine was worn out JUNK which came from you, Kevin Stewarts engine appears to be junk, Ingo's was obviously junk.


Hasty, yes always hasty...

[Embs]

Jack,

You should run for office.... any office.... Mr. Diplomacy........

Originally posted by JackOlsen
Harald has supplied a lot of 3.6's to guys on this board, with great feedback across the board. Selling used motors is not like selling new pieces off the shelf, and there will always be the potential for problems (that Harald would only be able to find by tearing down the motor before he shipped it).

I haven't talked to Ingo about this, but it sounds like Harald stood by his sale very admirably.

As a data point, my motor arrived as it was described, and has been running like a tank (in regular track and street use) since October of 2000.

[surflvr911sc]

Come on Todd, you are being very antidotal, first Timmins, now Harald, we are talking about Used engines here. There is always a risk, and if you buy risky (anything used) then you’re willingly taking that risk.

The fact is that a lot more of the used engines that Harald sells have gone on to run many hard miles w/ out problems then the ones that have had problems. When I bought my engine I figured that I would run it until it needed a rebuild, and some day it will, then I would rebuild it.

I have been very happy w/ my engine, it’s a keeper. Harald & Ingo have found a middle road to repair Ingo’s engine and I think that says a lot about both of them.

Have you ever found a middle road w/ anybody?

[Joe Bob]

Mine has been fine...but it was a US motor out of a tip....prolly driven by a blue hair in a leisure suit....least thats what I tell myself.

[Rick Lee]

Well, I've been burned by buying a used motor before and the motor's condition rarely has anything to do with the seller's integrity. If you want it new with a warranty, buy a crated one from Porsche for $20k or whatever it costs. Otherwise, ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances. Harald has a pretty good rep. here and on Rennlist. So does the guy who sold me my used motor. He even reubuilt it himself and I spent time around his car before I got the engine. Embs never misses a chance to slam someone. I'm guessing his edited post was due to his briefly forgetting about his self-imposed pledge to stop bashing Dr. T. At least Ingo seems to made the best of it here, DIY'ing a rebuild and getting in some quality wrenching time with other Pelicanheads. Doesn't sound too bad to me. Now he knows it's done right. Harald, I'll buy a motor from you any day.

[pete911]

I too bought a used 993 engine from Harald for my track car. I've had no issues. Last year I did 17 track days. My wife also drives so the car does double duty. I have no oil leaks, and the car uses very little oil. I usually put in a quart after about 3 days of double duty. Pretty good compared to other people.

Pete

[vash]

i have nothing to add, just was wondering where you get all the 3.6's (harold)? do you peddle any other motors?

cliff