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kenikh 03-19-2012 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by combatic (Post 6628316)

Don't you think using riv nuts with cap screws or acorn nuts would be prettier? Of course you do...

rfloz 03-20-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by combatic (Post 6632945)
The A-arm swaybar mount modification was made to provide full range of motion without binding when lowering the car. I picked up this tidbit from Bernie Buschen, one of our local Northwest Porsche Guru's. You move the bracket inboard one bracket width and rotate it 90 degrees. How I understand it, the stock mount is fine for US spec ride height but binds in compression.

Interesting. Do you have raised spindles? I would guess if the majority of the lowering is via raising the spindles you wouldn't need this mod since the wheel moves upwatd and the rest of the front suspension stays in pretty much the same place.

kenikh 03-20-2012 10:23 AM

I'm not sure I've ever seen raised spindles on an early 911. Common as rain in Seattle in the VW world.

Flieger 03-20-2012 10:53 AM

Well, it is common for LWB cars. Most of the high budget builds of RS or RSR replicas used raised spindles. At least out here.

kenikh 03-20-2012 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Flieger (Post 6635495)
Well, it is common for LWB cars. Most of the high budget builds of RS or RSR replicas used raised spindles. At least out here.

Who makes them? Or are they fabricated?

Flieger 03-20-2012 11:22 AM

They are fabricated. Some even drop the spindles to raise the ride height on rally cars.

Clint at Rebel Racing does it, Chuck at Elephant does it, any of those guys can do it. TRE I think sends them to ER or RR.

combatic 03-20-2012 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rfloz (Post 6635353)
Interesting. Do you have raised spindles? I would guess if the majority of the lowering is via raising the spindles you wouldn't need this mod since the wheel moves upwatd and the rest of the front suspension stays in pretty much the same place.

I guess I failed to mention that I do not have raised spindles. I have champagne taste on a beer budget so I will be running my Boge's for while until I can swap inserts or struts.

I don't know the range of motion that flipping the bracket will give you but I am not dumping the car on the ground like a dedicated track car. It will be mildly lowered so that it is still streetable/cross country trip worthy.

I have priced out the spindle drops and ROI puts it low on the priority list. Very trick mod though! (Raising the spindles was a factory mod for the racecars no?)

combatic 03-20-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kenikh (Post 6633910)
Don't you think using riv nuts with cap screws or acorn nuts would be prettier? Of course you do...

No riv nuts...I welded the bolts in last night....once the tank is in, you can not get to the bolt head....that could be a massive PITA if I have to swap batteries.

Acorn nuts?! This is a bastard hot rod...not a squirrel ;)

jpnovak 03-20-2012 07:04 PM

Brian, You have the skill. You just need an enabler to point you in the direction of suspension setup.

I am that enabler.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/480047-koni-struts-raised-spindles-how-few-question.html

combatic 03-21-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpnovak (Post 6636558)
Brian, You have the skill. You just need an enabler to point you in the direction of suspension setup.

I am that enabler.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/480047-koni-struts-raised-spindles-how-few-question.html

Awesome thread on raising your spindles Jamie! I will have to tuck that away. For my to do list :D

onboost 03-21-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by combatic (Post 6632945)
The A-arm swaybar mount modification was made to provide full range of motion without binding when lowering the car. I picked up this tidbit from Bernie Buschen, one of our local Northwest Porsche Guru's. You move the bracket inboard one bracket width and rotate it 90 degrees. How I understand it, the stock mount is fine for US spec ride height but binds in compression.

...Now I have to get a swaybar! ;)

Bryan.. interesting, I've always just used adjustable links, never noticed binding. Something to check maybe.

Keep the work mov'n..

kenikh 03-22-2012 06:17 AM

My car had binding. I have score marks on the Tarrett drop links to prove it. My car wasn't that low, either.

1QuickS 03-22-2012 08:00 AM

I modified the front struts to raise the spindles on my SWB; it required making new shock tubes and adding a spacer between the spindle casting and the bottom plate. Did this was about 22 years ago.

Flieger 03-22-2012 10:55 AM

Clint was working on raising some SWB spindles a few weeks ago. Its quite different from the LWB operation.

combatic 03-22-2012 09:20 PM

Day 259 || Progress...and small glimpses of light at the end of the tunnel
22Mar2012

Tried to get some help with ignition switch swap...no luck from the Pelican mindtrust..
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-f...2520Mayhem.JPG

Ground out any suspect areas + all around the seam to lock down the minor rust issues
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...-03-06_649.jpg

viola!
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-M...-10-48_437.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...-16-09_922.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...-15-21_949.jpg

Tested the electrical and the fan was making an awful noise so I decided to pull it, fix the noise and do some 'while I am in there' stuff.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...-07-29_870.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...-08-59_539.jpg

This 'ring' for the fan blades looked like it came off at some point. The blades seem structural enough to go without it
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...3-09-26_24.jpg

picked up some 2mm 'craft' store foam to rebuild the valve seals that dried up and went TU some time ago (one is in the background)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-q...-32-03_858.jpg

I also built up a new gasket out of the 2mm foam for the motor to intake housing
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-j...0-30-53_48.jpg

combatic 03-22-2012 09:31 PM

Day 259 ||...cont. Progress...and small glimpses of light at the end of the tunnel
22Mar2012

The drainhose for the intake housing died long ago and we can't have water draining into the trunk so without a replacement or heavy chunk of hose I 'formed' a hose using large heat shrink tube and then pulled the blue hose
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Z...-41-10_541.jpg

Tank installed. Not a perfect fit but close enough for a bastard hot rod :p
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1...-14-44_737.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C...-14-59_510.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-s...-15-34_559.jpg

Something I did not anticipate. The fit is almost net fit on the filler tube next to the strut brace. I was able to tweak the tube out enough to clear
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...-15-47_139.jpg

recovered the tank hold down clips with double wrap of shrink tube. Not the factory light gray but it will work for this iteration of the build
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-k...-16-07_131.jpg

I had to install it to to see what it will look like 'finished'
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-x...-26-58_869.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-X...-27-11_454.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...-27-29_203.jpg

jpnovak 03-23-2012 05:12 AM

Now on to the important things. Like getting it running. Wait until you drive it without a hood or fenders. Talk about lightweight.

Looks really good.

Rich Lambert 03-23-2012 05:50 AM

Awesome progress! The trunk turned out really nice.

Prairie Lizard 03-23-2012 08:27 AM

Bryan, looking good!

So in hindsight would you have moved the drivers side strut bar support slightly back toward the brake fluid reservoir to give more room for the fuel tank inlet tube?

Just asking in advance of doing mine. Hope it turns out half as nice as yours.

combatic 03-23-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jpnovak (Post 6641655)
Now on to the important things. Like getting it running. Wait until you drive it without a hood or fenders. Talk about lightweight.

Looks really good.

Yes, I am anxious to get the motor at least running in the car. I still have to rebuild the CV's, install the oil tank, paint the tin and bolt all the bits back together. That doesn't seem too bad at this point!

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Originally Posted by Rich Lambert (Post 6641708)
Awesome progress! The trunk turned out really nice.

Thanks you guys for all the comments and encouragement!

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Originally Posted by Prairie Lizard (Post 6642025)
Bryan, looking good!

So in hindsight would you have moved the drivers side strut bar support slightly back toward the brake fluid reservoir to give more room for the fuel tank inlet tube?

Just asking in advance of doing mine. Hope it turns out half as nice as yours.

Just go through some mock ups of the fit....ie- tape or use magnets to hold the support once you get it to fit to the shock tower then put your tank in. My filler neck was pushed against the strut brace and I don't want to put the hose clamp in that region and have metal on metal wear. Hopefully where I have th clamp will work fine.


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