I have made a set of PFC's for a DIY'er They Will Be Installed Reversing The Gases

[KelogGes]

Take your buddies with you THAT RUIN EVERY A/C THREAD HERE NO MATTER THE SUBJECT

[KelogGes]

If you are not one of these, I will try to answer questions

[Ronnie's.930]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Take your buddies with you THAT RUIN EVERY A/C THREAD HERE NO MATTER THE SUBJECT

So you're saying that you are West's "buddy" (I'm sure Mr. West sez otherwise), considering that you ruin every a/c thread you post in.

[tharbert]

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Take your buddies with you THAT RUIN EVERY A/C THREAD HERE NO MATTER THE SUBJECT

It should be clear even to you that I don't have "buddies", those are just co-logical thinkers.

The front lip condenser, even your PFC, has less cooling surface area, lower average airflow than the engine lid condenser, PFC or OEM, with the engine at idle.

So simple logic indicates that your "reverse the gasses" technique/invention/idea cannot possibly provide additional refrigerant condensing capability.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by Ronnie's.930

So you're saying that you are West's "buddy" (I'm sure Mr. West sez otherwise), considering that you ruin every a/c thread you post in.

NO

this was a reference to YOU

[ganun]

Correct me if I am wrong Keloges, but the idea was to lessen the heat load on the engine and oil by getting most of the heat out of the refrigerant at the front condenser, not make the a/c colder.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by wwest

it should be clear even to you that i don't have "buddies", those are just co-logical thinkers.

The front lip condenser, even your pfc, has less cooling surface area, lower average airflow than the engine lid condenser, pfc or oem, with the engine at idle.

So simple logic indicates that your "reverse the gasses" technique/invention/idea cannot possibly provide additional refrigerant condensing capability.

roflma

[wwest]

Originally Posted by ganun

Correct me if I am wrong Keloges, but the idea was to lessen the heat load on the engine and oil by getting most of the heat out of the refrigerant at the front condenser, not make the a/c colder.

No, he has stated both, improved condensing efficiency and cooler engine.

I think I can speak for all in saying we agree with the latter but completely fail to understand the improved condensing capability KelogGes is touting for his "invention".

It seems to me that it would be a relatively simple matter for KelogGes to take some data using the Tan Swan, put the system back in the factory configuration, rear lid condenser first in the flow, then take another dataset for comparison.

Instead, KelogGes has (seemingly) convinced some unknown third party to install a "reverse the gasses" configuration for a dataset, hopefully having gathered an OEM dataset first.

I fully admit that I just can't grasp the idea of a third party, a DIY, being suckered into doing KelogGes' basic research, data gathering, effort, given the obvious illogic of the idea/invention.

It would help a lot if KelogGes would put forth his own version of the logic of why his idea has validity.

[KelogGes]

Originally Posted by ganun

Correct me if I am wrong Keloges, but the idea was to lessen the heat load on the engine and oil by getting most of the heat out of the refrigerant at the front condenser, not make the a/c colder.

ITS more complicated then what you said / indicted

REVERSING THE GASES

Engine and Oil Temperature being much lower when the A/C IS SWITCHED ON is only a side benefits not the main thing !!!

But a major one being as we are talking about an aircooled engine that normally gets hotter with A/C ON, sometimes too much on a hot day with different driving conditions

The front smaller PFC or whatever condenser heat exchanger; is/has actually proven to be the most important when the gases are reversed; because it is always in ambient air temperature!

Therefore heat transfer when the gases are reversed; greatly effects condensation of the system gas temperatures for ALSO the rear heat exchanger in the 180 degree plus engine compartment;

THEREBY greater condensation back to liquid of the refrigerant; so it can make more cold faster/more efficently when it goes to make cold when phase-change expanding in the evaporator.

ITS COLDER;

PLUS FASTER AND PLUS BETTER CONDENSATION

and a much MORE EFFICENT A/C SYSTEM

Did I write this so it makes sense to you in the way I wrote it to you?

[KelogGes]

Porsche 911 early model A/C design engineers really blew it

As well as a host of others since it was designed who tried to make it efficient

AND IT WAS STARRING THEM IN THEIR FACES ALL THE TIME

AND THEY COULD'NT THINK OUT SIDE THE BOX!

[KelogGes]

PROVE ME WRONG, I am giving you something important for free

I HAVE THIS WORkING ON SEVERAL 911's

[KelogGes]

Ronnie when are you going to PROPERLY prove your 29.x degree number you claim you get with your A/C SYSTEM with extended driving and your evaporator does not freeze up BS?????????????????????????

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by Das Schnell Ei

This thread makes you look like a crazy person...just saying... don't be that guy.

I dig your work.... it looks very nice!

Agree on both counts. Work is way beyond what I can do.

This is awesome. Astrodome sized and fits/seals properly. Plus contains KelogGes goodness.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Ronnie when are you going to PROPERLY prove your 29.x degree number you claim you get with your A/C SYSTEM with extended driving and your evaporator does not freeze up BS?????????????????????????

You talking about the chicken hed?

The "hed" already said he will test on a drive when it gets warm enough.

Austin looks pretty wimpy as to heat the next ten days.

Forge on.

[wwest]

Originally Posted by KelogGes

Ronnie when are you going to PROPERLY prove your 29.x degree number you claim you get with your A/C SYSTEM with extended driving and your evaporator does not freeze up BS?????????????????????????

I'll help Ronnie toss your BS BOMBS right back at you...?

When are you, YOU, the "inventor" going to prove that your "reverse the gasses" idea is worth more than a PLUG NICKEL.

Or even more, prove how/why your front lip PFC outperforms the OEM tube and fin design on the road.

[Bob Kontak]

Originally Posted by wwest

I'll help Ronnie toss your BS BOMBS right back at you...?

When are you, YOU, the "inventor" going to prove that your "reverse the gasses" idea is worth more than a PLUG NICKEL.

Or even more, prove how/why your front lip PFC outperforms the OEM tube and fin design on the road.

Pieholio likes when Willy beats on you.

Look at the upside. There may be a chance you nut up and describe what you are barking about.

[Bob Kontak]

General perception of KelogGes nut diameter.

One nanometer.

One billionth of a meter.

Hey, just sayin'

[KelogGes]

In the picture on the far right side deep, the silver aluminum cylinder is an accumulator tank; needed for the "Variable Orifice Valve" injecting Liquid R134A into the evaporator, for LP return line catch'/retain and to keep liquid refrigerant OUT of the a/c compressor low pressure side inlet so the compressor does not get damaged

you do not have this a normal early model 911

[KelogGes]

That's OK Bob

I have something planned for you and your 8,600 posts