EV cars

[944 S2]

Originally Posted by island911

the solution...

Love it….powered by Honda!

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Nick Triesch

The media and liberals are really pushing EV cars. They talk in articles like they will be here soon and everyone wants one.

The woke MSM knows that if they repeat something enough times and long enough, people will think maybe it is true.

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

This again?
BTW I’m an American and I don’t hate electric cars,

Same here. I just don't want one and resent having the media and politicians trying to shove one down my throat.

Originally Posted by Tervuren

As a point of curiosity, how many places outlawed horses in order to get people to change to automobiles?

Exactly.

Come to think about it, the same holds true for the COVID vaccine. Promote but don't make it mandatory.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by island911

the solution...

He should have one of those hitch mounted racks to carry the Gereator.
Wouldn't have to stop along the road to charge.

[creaturecat]

me looking forward to having an EV, in the near future.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Paul is right. You can't beat the sound and feel of a good V8. I love it.
However we went the EV direction last year, & it fits our situation very well. As I've said before, we use excess solar generation to supply power for the car (we'll see just how much next March when the next true up date arrives). Although EV owners are getting by now on the cheap - energy wise - the governments will be figuring out how to take up the slack (get their pound of flesh) compared to gas revenues, etc. We're all feeling smug right now but after a few years, maybe not so much. We use my Ford passenger van to traveling, camping, hauliing, etc. I'd rather drive it than my wife's Tesla, but they compliment each other very well. The transition to EVs is in the dream stage in terms of infrastructure, and the actual implementation is pretty far off in my opinion. I'm convinced returning to nuclear energy is in our future.

Pretty realistic assessment as far as I'm concerned. Fitting your situation is the key.

I think those pushing the nation going all electric in a short time span are being unrealistic. Too many things to overcome to pull it off rapidly. Everything from the mining of the rare earth metals needed to the power grid upgrades required.

At age 77, I'll let the youngsters deal with the world of 30 years hence. In the meantime, I'll keep on being an environmental sinner while enjoying my V-8 sound.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by Evans, Marv

Although EV owners are getting by now on the cheap - energy wise - the governments will be figuring out how to take up the slack (get their pound of flesh) compared to gas revenues, etc. We're all feeling smug right now but after a few years, maybe not so much.

An important point to educate now is that with the fall of gas taxes some other revenue collection must take its place.
And there are several options.

One of which, completely says goodbye to privacy as it taxes based on where and when you are.
It would be the most "fair" way of taxing, but it would also give away much of our freedom. Some areas might redzone on taxes becoming prohibitively expensive to all but a few, etc... Not to mention the invasion of privacy.

Less fair, but less invasive, tax by vehichle weight.

Or just roll into being funded in some other way than user based entirely.
Homeschoolers still pay school taxes, so yes, those that don't drive might think it unfair, but we already do such things.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

I'm ahead of the curve at work on EV batteries but at home my daily driver is 27yrs behind

I'm not entirely convinced EV's are the answer to a sustainable green future, to me people should be encouraged to keep the cars they have now for longer and drive less rather than exploit more and new resources from our planet to replace old with new without any change to peoples daily habits

This idea of course won't gain any traction as it won't generate enough company profits or tax

When my old Toyota hits 250k I plan to give it a full nut and bolt restoration so it can enjoy another 250k of life. Engine is diesel so I'm going to also explore running it on bio-diesel or recycled vegetable oil

Not sure how environmentally sympathetic my approach is compared to buying 2 or 3 new EV's over the same time span but I'm pretty sure I'll do less overall environmental damage

Anyway I like my old Toyota and can't think of anything newer or new I could replace it with that would do as good a job that my truck does for me.

[island911]

No way man, Tesla just unleashed a 150mph 1/4 mile car - Starting at only $131k.

I'm going to save the planet with conspicuous consumption of rare earth materials.

150 M P H !!!

Go Green!

So green. (text)

[Nick Triesch]

Still no one is talking about how people love our F150’s , Chevy trucks? Honda CRV’s! Many people have very nice paid off late model cars and trucks. EV Ford F-150 costs a ton. The bare bones truck is $40,000. No one wants that one. The good version is over $50,000. Car insurance will not go down on a $50,000 electric SUV!!

[MrBonus]

I absolutely love my EV. It's by far the best daily driver I've ever owned. I will be replacing it with a Cybertruck or Rivian. I have no desire to go back to an internal combustion vehicle for daily driving.

[Sooner or later]

The Ford only comes in 4x4 and according to Car&Driver only Super Crew cab. It will also have independent rear suspension. It's price is within a gnats azz of the base gas 4×4 Super Crew cab. Any tax credits make it cheaper. It has a lot more functionality for a contractor looking for employee work truck.

Ford knows what they are doing. Along with the 2022 E Transit they are going to sell a boatload to the commercial community.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

I absolutely love my EV. It's by far the best daily driver I've ever owned. I will be replacing it with a Cybertruck or Rivian. I have no desire to go back to an internal combustion vehicle for daily driving.

I'm very happy it works for you. I don't want the govt to mandate me getting an EV any more than you want them to mandate you buy a gas engine car.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I'm very happy it works for you. I don't want the govt to mandate me getting an EV any more than you want them to mandate you buy a gas engine car.

Just checked a few major manufacturer's websites and somewhere between 90 to 100% of their offerings are all gas powered.

[RWebb]

OP is complaining that EVs are not cheap enough on a Porsche forum...

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by MrBonus

Just checked a few major manufacturer's websites and somewhere between 90 to 100% of their offerings are all gas powered.

Now check what the politicians want to do about that. The manufacturers are seeing the handwriting on the wall.
Europe:
https://www.slashgear.com/europes-aggressive-new-emissions-rules-put-gas-engines-on-notice-14682429/
USA
https://www.gm.com/electric-vehicles.html

GM is on its way to an all-electric future, with a commitment to 30 new global electric vehicles by 2025.

I think auto makers quietly want EVs because it kills the ability for owners and independents shops to work on their car or truck.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

I think auto makers quietly want EVs because it kills the ability for owners and independents shops to work on their car or truck.

You don't think indy shops will adapt?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by pavulon

You don't think indy shops will adapt?

The cost to keep up with the proprietary software will force most of them out.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

The cost to keep up with the proprietary software will force most of them out.

What keeps them from being forced out now? Plenty of ECUs and OBCs already.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

The cost to keep up with the proprietary software will force most of them out.

The indy shops already have that problem. It might be just as easy to diagnose an ev than a turbo motor with a gazillion switches, valves, and electronics. No tranny to mess with.. Mechanical will be the same.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Now check what the politicians want to do about that. The manufacturers are seeing the handwriting on the wall.
Europe:
https://www.slashgear.com/europes-aggressive-new-emissions-rules-put-gas-engines-on-notice-14682429/
USA
https://www.gm.com/electric-vehicles.html


I think auto makers quietly want EVs because it kills the ability for owners and independents shops to work on their car or truck.

EVs are easier to assemble and most components are replaced modularly. They are going to hurt the traditional dealership and indy shop because they require next to no maintenance.

The writing is on the wall for ICE vehicles. They are 20% of our overall carbon emissions and low hanging fruit in the push to slow climate change.

Honestly, I think if many of you who dislike them (why?) tried them, you’d be pleasantly surprised.