Vaccines are moving the needle...

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

I’ve already posted it. Since you’re incapable of following a thread like the rest of us, I’ll post a direct link to the video, just for you:



https://rumble.com/vegf39-mass-vaccination-will-breed-dangerous-variants-and-destroy-our-immunity-

Forgive me for not sifting through dozens of your toxic posts. It's Geert Vanden Bossche- all I need to know. The following links are not researched for a pristine history or left leanings (more available upon request):

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche

https://merogenomics.ca/blog/en/140/Immune-escape-Dr-Geert-Vanden-Bossche-explained

https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/03/26/geert-vanden-bossche/

https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/addressing-geert-vanden-bossches-claims

[javadog]

That’s why trying to have a discussion with an idiot liberal is pointless. They rely exclusively upon other idiot liberals to tell them what they should read, watch, or not.

You’re part of the idiot liberal echo chamber, congratulations. Some of the *******s that worked for your buddy Obama made that famous. You might have failed to notice the ridicule there through your direction, that was priceless to conservatives.

I think you should put me on ignore, so that I’m not tempted to respond to your endless questions and comments.

[cabmandone]

Okay... so I'm watching the video with the big "click here" and the thing that stands out is that he's speaking to people who have had only one dose of the vaccine. His concern is that they're building an immune response while also being exposed to the virus. This same thing would have been present with polio or smallpox. So why is the prophylactic vaccine in the case of covid bad but not against diseases that this type of vaccine all but eradicated?

I guess we'll see if he answers that going forward.

[cabmandone]

"These vaccines don't prevent infection, they protect against disease"
Another "how does that differ from polio or smallpox" question. The smallpox vaccine didn't prevent infection. Like the covid vaccine it created an immune response so the body could effectively fight severe infection.

He goes on to say that the vaccines weren't supposed to be administered in the heat of a pandemic. So with that in mind, how do we stop the pandemic without massive loss of life? When is the time to administer the vaccines? When the pandemic is over? Before the pandemic starts (the vaccine wouldn't exist)?

He's talking about the vaccines "driving immune escape". The problem is, he was talking about this back in March and at that time to present there's no evidence supporting vaccine induced immune escape.

[javadog]

You seem to have a bunch of questions about smallpox. Here’s a decent primer:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1069029/

There are a bunch of articles and videos that will answer your questions about the differences between our experience eradicating smallpox and our vaccination efforts for Covid. An Internet search is your friend.

[javadog]

More useful reading:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-021-00573-0

[cabmandone]

He's talking about prophylactic vaccines... which is what the polio and smallpox vaccines would be. He's saying that using these when the virus is spreading rapidly, which has been the case for both polio and smallpox, will pressure the virus and cause it mutate and that ultimately this will result in immune escape. It makes no logical sense to say that a vaccine that generates an immune response works in one instance but not in another instance and that in the other instance it's actually making matters worse.

[javadog]

Start with the fact that the two viruses are completely different.

A little relevant info here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/health/Smallpox-Evolution.aspx

[cabmandone]

He says that all we need to figure out is why asymptomatic cases are able to "eliminate" the virus through the use of "NK" cells. Isn't that like saying all we need to do to cure cancer if figure out why some get cancer while others don't? Easy peasy.

[javadog]

RNA viruses mutate at a greater rate than DNA viruses. Way too much detail here:

https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.01031-17

[javadog]

Originally Posted by cabmando

He says that all we need to figure out is why asymptomatic cases are able to "eliminate" the virus through the use of "NK" cells. Isn't that like saying all we need to do to cure cancer if figure out why some get cancer while others don't? Easy peasy.

I’m sure quite a few people are already working on answering that very question.

[cabmandone]

He's making the argument that "natural antibodies" will protect you regardless of the variant or even the coronavirus. If that's true he needs to explain how Guy got infected twice.

[Steve Carlton]

Originally Posted by javadog

That’s why trying to have a discussion with an idiot liberal is pointless. They rely exclusively upon other idiot liberals to tell them what they should read, watch, or not.

You’re part of the idiot liberal echo chamber, congratulations. Some of the *******s that worked for your buddy Obama made that famous. You might have failed to notice the ridicule there through your direction, that was priceless to conservatives.

I think you should put me on ignore, so that I’m not tempted to respond to your endless questions and comments.

Sorry you think expecting a credible reference makes me a liberal. Or that liberals are bad. I think the problem resides in your hate.

[javadog]

Natural antibodies do seem to be more protective of repeat infection than the vaccine generated antibodies. Neither is 100% reliable.

I would rather have natural antibodies in my system and, if I did, I wouldn’t get a vaccine.

[javadog]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

Sorry you think expecting a credible reference makes me a liberal. Or that liberals are bad. I think the problem resides in your hate.

Your sources seem to be all from the liberal side of the equation, so that tells me where you get your news. Conservatives tend to not go to those places for their news, so you do the math.

Liberals are bad. In case you hadn’t noticed, that’s who’s running the country this year and it has turned into a real **** show. Nothing is going well, and some things are going extremely poorly.

[cabmandone]

He says that we're making this virus "increasingly infectious"... but the virus is doing that all by itself. Vaccines didn't make the Delta variant.

[Steve Carlton]

I google answers to the stuff you post. If a credible source happens to be liberal, that doesn't make it wrong. You're very invested in the left and right. Have fun with that and consider that kind of talk for PARF. It doesn't belong here.

[cabmandone]

He mentions that we're "potentially" creating asymptomatic carriers that are no shedding the virus. He said 10 or so minutes before that the asymptomatic carries are "shedding" for maybe a weak or so and then they eliminate the virus. He seems to be playing both sides at this point. Asymptomatic is good! People have "natural immunity" vs Asymptomatic is bad because the vaccines created an asymptomatic carrier.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by javadog

Start with the fact that the two viruses are completely different.

A little relevant info here:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/health/Smallpox-Evolution.aspx

They're different in how they replicate. That doesn't explain why pressuring one vs the other won't result in mutations with one but not the other.

[Steve Carlton]

javadog wants to believe the narratives he wants to believe, regardless of how ridiculous they are. Disagreeing with him makes you a despicable liberal. I get it.