Apple Phone.

[MichiganMat]

Its all about the cohesion, people. All of the neat little features in a different combination would probably not be nearly as compelling as it is all packaged up in that spiffy little device. Im really stoked about being able to do computer-sized tasks away from my computer, especially because I live in an area saturated with open 802.11 networks. Steve's demo today was amazing BTW, go watch a replay of it.

I still can't understand those who feel limited by iTunes DRM, I've never felt limited by it. Ever. If the DRM is reason you're avoiding a Mac product, do yourself a favor and just get-over-it, you're missing out on a great experience.

[red-beard]

Originally posted by nostatic
red, apple ships what they say they will. No way you can call this vaporware. This isn't microsoft...

when was the last serious update of the Palm OS? And how do you check your email when you're away from an 802.11 signal?

Come on man...it is a cool device. Don't hate

You're right. My Treo650 is really closer to this device. It's ony 320x320, has a built in keyboard, 2GB storage, EDGE and is 3 years old...But otherwise can do everything.

I doubt you'll see the Iphone on the shelves before Christmas...2008

[nostatic]

Don't be bitter ;-)

Sorry Red, you'll be proved wrong. And if you think the 650 is an equivalent to this, you've been drinking too early. I had a 650 for about a year. Decent device, but pales compared to this thing. And the 700 was a pile of garbage..Palm getting worse rather than better.

[red-beard]

Todd, the 650 has been out for almost 3 years, so yeah, it pales compared to a lot of stuff.

You are right about Palm not getting out in front of things. There is talk about an update to Garnet.

[lendaddy]

Do you guys really think you'll be doing any useful computing on these lil bastids? Well, since that part of it already exists, do you guys really bust out a spreadsheet or a word doc. on your phone? In theory I see it, but in reality it seems useless. Sorry for the hijack.

[nostatic]

no, i don't manipulate spreadsheets, but today I got an email about approving payment for milestones, and I needed to check the attached spreadsheet for reference. I did this all on my Cingular 8525. I routinely do email on my device, and web browse, finding directions, etc. I take short notes too. Will I work on a 25 page word doc? Not likely. But if I have to...I can.

I used to write my chemistry lectures on a Newton 2100. I could type with the separate keyboard and draw structures by hand. I then transfered them to my desktop and uploaded to my class web site. That was in 1989.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by nostatic
no, i don't manipulate spreadsheets, but today I got an email about approving payment for milestones, and I needed to check the attached spreadsheet for reference. I did this all on my Cingular 8525. I routinely do email on my device, and web browse, finding directions, etc. I take short notes too. Will I work on a 25 page word doc? Not likely. But if I have to...I can.

I used to write my chemistry lectures on a Newton 2100. I could type with the separate keyboard and draw structures by hand. I then transfered them to my desktop and uploaded to my class web site. That was in 1989.

Being able to open attachment docs is an interesting point.

[Oracle]

I like it! By the time this new thing makes it to Canada my contract will be up for renewal...
Nothing I've seen so far looks so elegant, although it will be a pain to keep it clean...

[red-beard]

The "Killer Ap" for me was being able to pull up the traffic data on the web browser, while driving. Real time traffic maps, in the car. Yes, I know that the GPS units can do this now, but they couldn't 3 years ago when I bought my Treo600.

I was able to check e-mail with my m515 and a cell phone 4-5 years ago, but it was connected with cable.

[red-beard]

Originally posted by Oracle
Nothing I've seen so far looks so elegant, although it will be a pain to keep it clean...

Oh, there is more truth in that then you think! Play touchscreen all day long and you need to wipe the surface down. And the screen? You have to put a plastic sticky cover on it, or it ends up scratched.

I wonder how the little wonder will do in a drop?

[red-beard]

Is the I-Phone rated for Class I, Div II, group ABCD areas?

[jkarolyi]

Originally posted by nostatic
I used to write my chemistry lectures on a Newton 2100. I could type with the separate keyboard and draw structures by hand. I then transfered them to my desktop and uploaded to my class web site. That was in 1989.

Um...kind of hard to do that when the Newton came out in 1993

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton

The iPhone is neat, but I was really wanting a wide-screen iPod about that size and shape without the phone capabilities but with a 80GB HDD instead. 8GB is nothing for music and video.

And I will never sign up with Cingular after they lied to my fiance about roaming charges. "As long as 'roaming' is not indicated on your phone, no roaming charges" she was told upon signing up to one of their "local" plans. "Cingular network", not "roaming" shows up on the phone when she comes to visit me in CA, but she gets a $950 phone bill when she gets home. No amount of explaining or asking managers and reps gets the bill reduced. That's a lot of scratch to take up the....

[red-beard]

1989...website...

Is your name Al Gore?

[Moses]

Don't really need one, BUT I WANT ONE!!!!



Built-in Advanced Sensors
iPhone’s accelerometer detects when you rotate the device from portrait to landscape, then automatically changes the contents of the display, so you immediately see the entire width of a web page or a photo in its proper landscape aspect ratio.

[nostatic]

sorry, typo. Meant 1973

no wait, 1998.

[jyl]

This looks like the Apple portable device that Apple fans have been waiting for, ever since Jobs killed the Newton. (I took all my MBA notes on a MessagePad 2100, what a great product.)

I am probably going to buy one. Only issue is if it will synchronize with Outlook email and calendar similar to a Blackberry - if not, I am staying w/ Blackberry, by necessity. A little wary about abandoning Verizon for Cingular, but seems like the gap in coverage quality has narrowed quite a bit - Verizon used to be head and shoulders the best, now its just a head and one shoulder.

The Apple TV (formerly iTV) is very cool too. I'm not sure how much I'm really interested in downloading TV shows though - I don't have time to watch much TV, our set is ancient, and when I do watch TV my taste runs more to Star Trek reruns, Guns & Ammo TV, and Formula One, than anything off the Disney etc list. Just not sure the content is compelling enough yet.

The new Airport Extreme with 802.11n is going to find a place in my house, assuming I can update the iMac and my work Thinkpad to "n".

Confession - like an idiot, I sold part of my AAPL on Friday. My logic was that Street consensus already firmly expected an iPhone for launch 1Q and Street analysts were already modeling some 20MM units into 2007 numbers, so upside if iPhone was announced for immediate launch was less than downside if iPhone was not announced, or was merely previewed like iTV was last year. In fact, AAPL target of 10MM units in 2008 is well under Street assumptions. But no matter, the device is so awesome that stock rocked anyway. I was dead wrong. Arrgh. But I still benefited from the stock jump, just could have done more. I also confess I won't sleep well at night until the SEC decides it isn't forcing Steve Jobs out for options backdating. If he gets the axe, that stock will be cut in half.

[island911]

Originally posted by arcsine
I will wait for the two-years late to the market, cobbled together, bug ridden, massively hyped, clone Microsoft phone thank you very much

Originally posted by HardDrive
Microsoft has made a rock solid phone OS for years, one that has made HUGE market gains in the past few years.

Oh riiiiiiiiiiiight. It doesn't tie into iphoto, itunes, icirlejerk, and all the other igarbage.


http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/default.mspx

Oh Man owned! ...and just what I was thinking.

What is with the knee-jerk reaction with the "Mac guys"? . .Someone says "look, new iProduct" . .and the k-j reaction is "Let me tell how lame MSFT is."

I mean wow, you "Mac guys" are just like the commercial spots. So cool and secure.

An iPhone has been vaporware for YEARS. The early vapors looked very different.

[nostatic]

It was never announced by the company. Rumors don't create vaporware.

I've owned a device with every iteration of windows mobile. It has gotten better each time, but wm5 is far from perfect, and is not rock solid.

The reason it has made huge market gains is mostly that Motorola has done zero work on their OS and UI. I still see more crackberries than WM devices in people's hands.

and the windows guys don't miss many opportunities to say how lame macs are (icirclejerk anyone?). For most users, iApps are the best choice for creating content. iMovie is the easiest/best video editing software in existence.

[Halm]

I think Apple, like MSFT, sees an opportunity in the convergence now going on. And true to their philosophy, they are going after the entertainment oriented users versus MSFT wanting to take on Blackberry and the business users.

This is a really cool device, especially the size. And the screen resolution has upped the ante over 240x320 that is native for Pocket PC’s and Smartphones. And 4-8 Gb of storage is also a breakthrough.

But there are some issues. For example a keyboard without keys will make touch dialing difficult and typing an exercise in patience. A touch screen without a stylist will make for lots of smudges and fingerprints on the screen. No 3G means you better be near a hotspot or wait forever for all that cool media to download. Email access via POP3 or IMAP is a turn-off for me since I have been using push technology for 2 years now.

There are two big unknowns. First, how will it function as a phone? There are a lot of cell phones out there from cell phone makers that simply suck, so it is not a given that this one will be great, or even good. Second unknown is battery life. There is a ton of good stuff in there but all of it needs power.

Clearly there are people that will buy it simply because it is made by Apple, Inc. (new name, btw). On the other hand, another group will be put off by the high price. IMHO, it is way to early to predict how this will do until there is field experience.

[stomachmonkey]

But there are some issues. For example a keyboard without keys will make touch dialing difficult and typing an exercise in patience. A touch screen without a stylist will make for lots of smudges and fingerprints on the screen. No 3G means you better be near a hotspot or wait forever for all that cool media to download. Email access via POP3 or IMAP is a turn-off for me since I have been using push technology for 2 years now.

I don't think the touch dialing on a device like this is an issue.

If you carry a smart phone you already know the buttons on a full keyboard are too small to make touch dialing effective.

Screen smudging is somehing to consider. Agree it may be an issue, we'll have to wait and see.

3G will probably be in V2 of the phone. Fact is there are no significant 3G networks in place, Cingular are working on it but they won't have full nationwide rollout till very late 07 more likely some time in 08. Simply not enough of an istalled base for it to be a viable feature. If 3G is there from day one I think you'd need to look at sacrificing either wifi or EDGE which would definately be shooting yourself in the foot.

Blackberry is licensing it's technology these days. I use BB connect on my Symbian OS Nokia E62. Cingular has a deal with RIM for it and as the iPhone will be a Cingular release I'm williing to bet there are negotiations happening that will bring BB connect to the iPhone.

Cingular would be foolish to not pursue this opportunity, it's an additional service that they can and will charge for. As few as 10k units at the minimum $39.99 per month is just south of 5M yearly revenue.