.410 Shotguns

[tabs]

About 5 or 6 years ago the West Coast guys started using as a flavor of the day the Win mdl 42 for Skeet and as such they just took off in price. And everything 410 followed

I bought the Browning mdl 42, which I have yet to shoot..

BTW..all the sub gauge guns have always been more pricey

[on2wheels52]

When I saw David say Remington .410's were $1000 I was going to say that for not much more you could buy a 42 Winchester. But I thought I should check the Blue Book price first.
yikes
I'll have to take tabs' word as the reason for the increase. I got in before the big hike.
Not that I've ever shot the thing, I just thought it was a blue chip gun and I like 50 year old Winchesters.
Jim

[Cajundaddy]

+1 on the Remington 870 20GA for home protection. It's a low cost gun that is reasonably well made and anyone can learn to use it. Point it in the general direction of bad guys and you are guaranteed to hit something.

[dhoward]

Originally Posted by Cajundaddy

Snipped.....Point it in the general direction of bad guys and you are guaranteed to hit something.

Misconception. If you look at patterns within typical home defense distances, you need to be on the money. That being said, 18.5" 870, 1200, or 500, with a laser or ghost ring, shortened stock, and light home defense loads should work just fine.

As for Mossberg being junk, they're carried in vast number of police cruisers all over the world.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by dhoward

Misconception. If you look at patterns within typical home defense distances, you need to be on the money.

The people breaking into houses to steal do not know this. They are not smart enough, but do know what a shotgun will do...

You do not need all the laser crap on a shotgun, you need to rack a shell into the puppy and that sound alone usually produces an immediate response from the crook, that of running out of the house and thats whats needed in the first place. If they do not do this, then "shoot in that general direction" and guarantee that 99% of them will flee the scene...

[red-beard]

Most of the shotguns, 20 GA and .410, all seem to be 3 round. I'm thinking that maybe for this shooter, double barrel is the way to go. No muss, no fuss, works everytime.

[targa911S]

I have a sawn off SXS for you. 12ga. 19" barrels, 36" LOA. fits through a doorway nicely. Made by manhattan arms, and "customized" by myself. PM me if you want to see it. Very old school. I'm working on a Crescent Arms one too. Won't be ready for months though. I'm seriously behind on the bench here. It meets/exceeds fed guide lines. but check you local regs.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by red-beard

Most of the shotguns, 20 GA and .410, all seem to be 3 round. I'm thinking that maybe for this shooter, double barrel is the way to go. No muss, no fuss, works everytime.

Problem with a double barrel or the like is that there is no noise.

When a perp hears a pump rack a shell into the chamber, they know that sound and know that its time to go somewhere else in the world.

I really do not want to shoot someone, I just want them to leave my house. A pump or auto shotgun will do this, a double barrel does not...

[dhoward]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

The people breaking into houses to steal do not know this. They are not smart enough, but do know what a shotgun will do...

You do not need all the laser crap on a shotgun, you need to rack a shell into the puppy and that sound alone usually produces an immediate response from the crook, that of running out of the house and thats whats needed in the first place. If they do not do this, then "shoot in that general direction" and guarantee that 99% of them will flee the scene...

I'm with you.
It's the 1% I worry about. Instinctive shooting, possibly in the dark, under possibly confusing, definitely stressful circumstances must be practiced. Take any advantage you're given.

[targa911S]

Here ya go...

[targa911S]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Problem with a double barrel or the like is that there is no noise.

When a perp hears a pump rack a shell into the chamber, they know that sound and know that its time to go somewhere else in the world.

I really do not want to shoot someone, I just want them to leave my house. A pump or auto shotgun will do this, a double barrel does not...

In my "home gun" the first shot is rubber buck shot. I don't want to kill anyone either. Too much hassle. The rubber buck will knock a perp down and leave a REAL nasty mark, that if your smart you will run like hell. If not, the second shot will damn near cut yo in half.

[red-beard]

Originally Posted by HardDrive

Originally Posted by sc_rufctr

That looks like a LOT of FUN!

It will also shoot .45 Long Colt. This is one of the considerations for the .410 shotgun. They can use the ammo in a Judge, but also have .45 Long Colt ammo.

For myself, an Arsenal/Saiga AK-47 in .410 looks interesting...

30 Round mag? Interesting.

[Joeaksa]

Originally Posted by targa911S

In my "home gun" the first shot is rubber buck shot. I don't want to kill anyone either. Too much hassle. The rubber buck will knock a perp down and leave a REAL nasty mark, that if your smart you will run like hell. If not, the second shot will damn near cut yo in half.

Totally agree. Another way to roll is to put "snake-shot" as the first round in a revolver, then make the rest regular loads.

This way the first round will warn and not kill, and if they keep coming after that then they get what they deserve.

[JAR0023]

Oh man..."rack the slide", rubber bullets, and birdshot. A trifecta of fail. Somewhere in Tibet Oddjob has developed a tic and if this talk keeps up he's gonna stroke out. I forgot one. Just point the shotgun in their general direction. Might as well call Laverne and Shirley and borrow their baseball bat.

The spread of the "pattern" from a shotgun at inside the house ranges even with a cylinder choke is maybe six inches. Yes, you aim a shotgun like any other weapon, at least if you intend to hit your target.

Rubber bullets won’t get you into trouble? If you discharge a firearm at another individual you are in trouble. No matter what the intent or outcome you’ll need a good attorney and you’ll likely get to go downtown for a talk (hopefully with your attorney present).

Birdshot vs. a grown man? You better shoot him in the face if you have any plans to incapacitate him; otherwise you are just going to piss him off. There’s that pesky aiming thing again.

“Racking the slide” This must be the biggest fairy tale of all. Why not just turn your flashlight on yourself and yell, “Hey, I’m over here.” You do have a light to ID who you are shooting at, right? You are going to need the light for at least two of the four rules. Seriously even if this did work 99% of the time what are you going to do about the other 1%? Are you willing to take that chance when it comes to your life and the lives of your loved ones? I’m not.

If I find you in my house illegally I will assume you intend to harm me or my family. I will do my best to prevent that and that means stopping you right now. The best and only assured way of doing that is to make you dead RFN.

Look, I don’t have a lot of posts here, or anywhere, for that matter. I read more than I talk. I use the same ID on every forum I frequent, so you can look me up. Ignore me if you wish, but I’m no chairborne commando, internet tough guy. I’m just regular people, but I was reared to take my responsibility for my family and their well being very serious.

If you are going to own a gun with the intent to use it in self defense you damn well better wrap you head around the fact that you may have to take someone’s life. The gun is merely a tool, the mind is the weapon. Pray you never have to use a gun against another human. Be prepared for if you do.

Here some light reading for you guys.

BOX O’ TRUTH

J

[dhoward]

You forgot retention...

[Joeaksa]

Boy, now that an EXPERT has chimed in, maybe I can ask all the other questions about life that I had been wondering about.

Guess the EXPERT has never thought about the person moving around in the dark that could be a family member who is having problems and someone you do not want to kill? Nah, just kill them, they are moving around in my house so they are dead meat... What an idiot...

[Joeaksa]

Here is a perfect example.... happened YESTERDAY...

Man mistaken for intruder killed by wife, police say

[Cajundaddy]

Originally Posted by Joeaksa

Here is a perfect example.... happened YESTERDAY...

Man mistaken for intruder killed by wife, police say

I tend to agree that using a firearm for home defense requires a lot of serious thought and preparation. The consequences are often final. My wife is really uncomfortable with firearms and while she has some training, she probably has not fired 200 rounds in her life and would never go hunting. Her choice for personal defense when I am away is a dog, a can of bear spray, and her cel phone. These things she knows how to use and is unlikely to make a fatal mistake when in a groggy state, being awakened in the middle of the night by an intruder.

We must consider these things carefully.

[Head416]

Spot on. I think a lot of firearms owners get by on luck. I read articles all the time about "little" mistakes people make with devastating consequences. I forward them to my wife and armed family and friends as reminders to be ever vigilant.

I think most people are only mostly safe most of the time. Every now and then things line up just wrong and somebody gets called out for their carelessness.

[scottmandue]

Originally Posted by Seahawk

I prefer to hunt Dove with a .410. I bought a Stoeger over and under .410 years ago: It won't impress your friends but I love to hunt with the the damn thing.

Stoeger Condor Over & Under Shotguns: 12-Gauge, 20-Gauge, and .410 Gauge with 3” Chamber; 16-Gauge with 2-3/4” Chamber

OH No! What have you done! I want an O/U but always presumed they were over $1K!

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!