Supras

[Steve Carlton]

I had a 1986.5 Supra non-turbo. 200hp, 0-60 in 7.7 seconds. It was a monster...

[aschen]

dozens of them run MSR houston every year for the supra nationals

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by aschen

I do like supras but I agree that they are somewhere between a japanese mustang and a japanese corvette. Closer to the stang. The novelty is largly due to geography.

The most interesting japanese car of that era is the FD rx7. I love the look and the ethos. The motor of course is the opposite of the supras reliable mill

Except that's utter BS. The Supra was quite handler of the crop of Japanese muscle. And outhandled Porsche's 911 Turbo and Ferraris frequently in tests. Mustangs and Corvettes of the day did no such thing. It hustled around a track quicker than the RX-7. And by "track" I mean road course.

Here's a few pics to enlighten you.

Read the first paragraph:

[aschen]

Originally Posted by aschen

for clairity I mean more modern mustang or vette. The supra was deffinately light years beyond an early 90s stang.

Miss this point?


Of course it was faster than an rx7 around a road course, it was significantly more powerful. I just think the rx7 was the cooler car. It was the best handling car of the day and dominated scca stock autocross, which is more rewarding of handling and nimbleness.

[aschen]

also as im sure you are aware skidpad, stopping distance, and slalom magazine tests are more indicative of tires than car

an aveo with hoosiers would cream any of those

[tedg04]

Originally Posted by 911SauCy

2 things I gathered from the post I've quoted and modified:

1: You've not driven a nice, strong, example of a Supra.

2: The "Porsche is better than all" thing is shining through...blindingly, shining through.


Park a Supra and a 996TT side by side...you would be disappointed at the attention of the crowd

If only you knew....

I've had the luxury of driving a not all that impressive mkIV Supra ('95 NA with a single turbo kit, was just under 400whp at horsepower freaks). Wasn't my car, so I didn't exactly flog it, but got enough to know it was a beast. That long hood look isn't just a look - it's a massive car.

Yes, a Supra TT would draw more looks at a parking lot than a 996 TT. But so would Betty White nude and on fire - doesn't mean I'd rather have that.

And while I have been in the P-Car community my whole life, I'm not exactly a fanboi. I would take a Exige over a Cayman S all day long. And a S2000 over a comparably priced Boxter. Even - wait for it - a Corvette over a base Carrera.

Who's the jaded one?

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by tedg04

. That long hood look isn't just a look - it's a massive car.

Yep, a Supra is 1.75" longer than a new 911. Truly massive.

And an NA-T Supra single with 400HP isn't a well running Supra. My Supra made 403 RWHP...on stock twins.

[Steve Carlton]

I ditched a cop in mine.

[tedg04]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

Yep, a Supra is 1.75" longer than a new 911. Truly massive.

Isn't it? Don't forget 4" longer wheelbase. Comparing it to another big car and proving the Supra is bigger does nothing for your point.
Consider that for it's time it was more like 10" longer (overall and wheelbase) and more than 100lbs heavier than a 993 turbo - which was AWD.

And an NA-T Supra single with 400HP isn't a well running Supra. My Supra made 403 RWHP...on stock twins.

By my own admission it wasn't the most impressive Supra ever. It got a lot of looks, and a lot of respect on the road.

I really don't have a problem with the Supra. I would even own one at some point, it would just be a bit farther down my list than yours.

It takes all kinds, and I'm glad you like the 'yota (if we all liked the exact same thing to the same proportion life would be pretty boring, wouldn't it).

[yetibone]

Originally Posted by Steve Carlton

I ditched a cop in mine.

I got some nookie in mine!

'88, non turbo, with spoiler and sport roof*. First car I took a loan out on. I was about 19 at the time. Best driving car I ever had (with the roof in place) until I bought that 928.




*This is key to being 6'5", and getting laid in a MkIII Supra

[slow&rusty]

The old girl can still hang!

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by tedg04

Isn't it? Don't forget 4" longer wheelbase. Comparing it to another big car and proving the Supra is bigger does nothing for your point.
Consider that for it's time it was more like 10" longer (overall and wheelbase) and more than 100lbs heavier than a 993 turbo - which was AWD.

And yet the Supra out handled the Porsche of that era.

So was the Supra beyond impressive or was the 911 weak sauce?

[onewhippedpuppy]

I would also rate the 991 as "huge".

[AFC-911]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

And an NA-T Supra single with 400HP isn't a well running Supra. My Supra made 403 RWHP...on stock twins.

Right...You're comparing two differently modded cars. How much power were these putting out stock?

I'm pretty sure it wasn't 400hp.

[slow&rusty]

320hp stock

[aschen]

964 was a bit archic for the time and on its way out, the supra was a bit ahead of its time.

I thought you guys were discussing the size though? Yes the 991 is huge, I am suprised the supra is even bigger.

There are alot of fun suprises in those rag snipits: The zr1 could only manage a 13.6? Supras got into the 50ks by the end of their lifecycle. The poor lotus esprit is unreliable and slow, but I still want one. Supra came with pretty fantastic tires stock apparently.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by aschen

Supra came with pretty fantastic tires stock apparently.

Funny you mention that. When I put modern tires on it, the performance sky rocketed. I'm guessing you're tech had increased significantly since the mid 90s

[aschen]

If it pulled .98 gs on street tires in the early 90s it had state of the art tires. You can only do marginally better with current non rcompound street tires.

Skidpad is almost exclusively a test of tires

[manbridge 74]

Been tasked with a Supra rescue. 63K mile 6spd TT. Maybe the last unmodified Supe that’s in driver condition. Wing was in the hatch. Last ran 2008. Got the tank all drained, lines blown out, freed up the stuck fuel pump and new filters and fluids. But to be expected, the injectors are varnished stuck. Another weekend for that along with tires and brakes. Will possibly BAT this one whenever a new Supra comes along (don’t hold your breath!)

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

And yet the Supra out handled the Porsche of that era.

So was the Supra beyond impressive or was the 911 weak sauce?

I haven't read this thread through, might have already posted, but here's my version....

Bought a new '87 Supra Turbo back then....put 100k smiles on her...simply awesome for back then, tame by today's cars. I did things in that Supra that I would not even attempt in my '88 911 since I don't have the aero bits. My 911 feels lightweight and nimble, by comparison, but with "me" behind the wheel, the Supra was easier to push to the limits...I had it @ 140 once....10K below redline still, and man that car was PLANTED on the blacktop. A heavier car, but in 2nd and 3rd gear with the turbo boost kicking in....a total hoot