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Eturbo924 · 12-20-2001, 04:52 AM

David. That was in poor taste. So the exact Lotus call out was not correct... excuse us. They basically all look the same at the time of the S4S up to the V8 turbo. Only the descriminating Lotus people can point out the differences. Just as Porsche 944 guys can quickly tell you a 944 from a turbo from an S2 and such.

As far as the cyclone beating the Lotus. Hello have you read any of the reports on the cyclone? Guess not. 0-60 in 4.5 sec. with no more effort than putting your foot to the floor and steering. The test Car and Driver did was against a Ferrari 348, as I recall, and the cyclone held it off to the quarter mile.... at which time the Ferrari went screaming by... but the Cyclone won the race to the mark. I can get the exact quote from the article if you like. (Fact.)

I also said this particular cyclone was modified. And it won the race. As far as the SHO goes. Sorry again. I have no reason to lie about the performance. I said I held on to him through the traffic and he blew past me many times. I do not believe I ever claimed to have passed him in the open or in a turn.

I have driven many Fast cars, 928 S4, 944 turbo S, Ferrari Testarossa, Ferrari 328 GTS, 911 Carrera, 911 Carrara 4, along with many others.... I have taken high performance driver training and I know how to drive fast and now that I am a bit older... know when it is stupid to do so. Anyway I did not lie about the race. Wife was there and she can testify in my behalf. We stuck with him some of the time, past him when he let me and then raced through traffic multiple times with me all over him. Like I said he was not a very good driver. When he changed lanes he put much to much effort into the action... you know... when you see some one change lanes and instead of a smooth transition the car goes over and then jerks back to set the car into the lane. I am not saying that all Lotus drivers are like this.... but this guy was. Just the facts.

Eric

944jeff · 12-20-2001, 06:51 AM

It is an S4S. Two key indicators are the S4S sticker and the deep dish wheels. The motor sound was dubbed in and it's not a 4cyl. Ford would have used a new V8 if they could get their hands on one and Lotus factory would not let them use one for Ford's marketing purposes. This car 300hp stock goes 0-60 in 4.7 and 168 top end. The new V8 350hp (can be modded to 550 with a new chip) goes 4.1 and 173.

Scott R · Scott R's Garage

I would have to agree with the above post. I have had my 951 absolutely spanked by a Typhoon!

david944 · 12-20-2001, 02:35 PM

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be critical. But, I'm sticking with what wolf said. It does take an almost expert driver to drive one of those things. I admit it's very hard on my leg to even mash in the clutch. So I don't believe anyone can judge a lotus on it's performance wether it's an SHO, or an escort. Put a test driver in the lotus, then catch up with him in the Taurus. Not some 50 year old mid-life-crisis who goes around saying "guess what I bought a a a a lotus I think, or maby it's a Ferrari.

And also, I too have driven about any car you could name. Been to 2 driving schools, and auto-xed a 91 MR2 several times. If for some reason that matters.

Rob-O · 12-20-2001, 05:24 PM

...And I am pissing on your foot...and you are pissing on mine. And together we piss on everybody else's foot. Blah-blah-blah....Who cares.

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Eturbo924 · 12-21-2001, 05:05 AM

David944 Why does it matter?
I was trying to demonstrate that I was not some punk kid saying I took on a much more powerful and ballanced car with my Ford Taurus SHO and beat him. Did my post say that... no it did not. What it said was that I raced one and stuck with him in the tight traffic shuffle.... in and out. When you are racing through traffic it is as much about the driver as it is the car. Quick reaction and the right decisions. Now had I been driving some Yugo.... it would have been entirely different.

Why does it seem that you keep picking a fight. Are you not in the holiday season? Did I attack you, or your favoriate mark? I do not recall saying anything that should have been taken as such. I told two factual stories backed with a Car and Driver test about the cyclone. I did not say that Lotus sucks or anything. I like Lotus products, just like Porsche more.

Does the driver matter... absolutely. Can a great driver make up the difference between two unequal cars ... yes, as long as the difference is not to great. A professional driver in a Yugo is not going to catch my wife in a 928GTS. To much differential. (there are conditions to that of course but only have so much room here) Oh and my wife can drive! Am I such a driver.... I am a good driver... not the best. This lotus driver was not very good. So I suck with him... so what. It was fun at the time and it was a story to tell. Oh and one addition. The SHO was a lease vehicle. You guessed it.. the lease was up and car was turned in the next morning he he. Ah what a final weekend though!

Merry Christmas

david944 · 12-21-2001, 05:09 PM

Your right and I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, just stand up for one of the cars I have the most respect for. I love these cars as much as my 944. We had one last week come rolling up on the flat bed totaled. The owner was racing a Honda Civic Si, (stupid I know) but that was one of the "other" lotus owners I was talking about. Stuff like that just makes me mad.

I'll admit hearing that your Taurus was that close, I guess I had a hard time dealing with the fact the lotus could be beat, thats all. In fact I kinda felt ashamed.

Truce?

Again, sorry. Merry Christmas.

David

Eturbo924 · 01-03-2002, 06:06 AM

David I know your how you feel. I hate to see poor drivers in a car that is way past their ability level. Seen many 911 and 944 turbos crushed by ... shall we say.. inferior drivers.

But I guess that is everyones right... well everyone that can purchase a fast car.

The SHO is a quick car... not of course in the league as the Lotus S4 but.... I am a superior driver ha ha.

Anyway truce accepted and no hard feelings. Hope you had a great holiday season!

Eric

Scott R · Scott R's Garage

The hell with it a anyway, Ford SUCKS! Even the SHO. I would rather loose in a Porsche than even be SEEN in a Ford. Actually give the oppertunity I would rather walk the rest of my life than ever ride in another ford. There is something to be said for loosing in style!

diannone · 01-03-2002, 11:09 PM

come on now guys, you dont really believe everything you see on tv , do you? my v8 944 would whoop-ass on that t-bird too!

Eturbo924 · 01-04-2002, 06:44 AM

Hey to each his own. When it comes to keeping my 4 year old son and 6 month old daughter safe... not to mension my wife.... I would rather they be in a Taurus SHO than a Porsche 924 or 944. Now I am not talking the V8 SHO. I do not happen to like that one, but to those who do... I am happy for you.

It does not bother me what other people think. Hey that is why there are so many different cars that have so many happy owners. Some people even love their Horisons. To each his own.

I liked my 1994 SHO when I had it. It has some issues with Quality (made me never purchase another new Ford), but I had fun with it before I turned in the lease! Nothing like seeing a 7200rpm burn out in a front wheel drive car!

Eric

Scott R · Scott R's Garage

Ford? Safe? That’s an oxymoron isn’t it? Don't they still hold a record for most amounts of people killed in a particular car model? If Ford is safety minded then I hate to think what everyone else is! And let’s not forget what happens when you crash an F150 at 40mph! Ever see that video? Scary! I think a trained chimp could design better cars.

Eturbo924 · 01-04-2002, 08:53 AM

Well the trucks from ford are not all that good, but the Taurus and the Crown Vic are both top of class.

The 1994 Taurus SHO that I had was better in frontal crash and off-set crash testing that the Volvo 850 of the time. It also did very well in the side impact testing. This was very important to me at the time since it was primarily going to be my wifes car.

I would not purchase a Ford SUV or Truck.... since they are having all those issues... also I will not ever purchase a new Ford again due to the poor service on my new SHO. That said I still like the old 1990-1995 SHOs and might buy one for fun winter vehicle again some day.

Eric

Scott R · Scott R's Garage

Yea I was soured on my 93 SHO. $1000 for a clutch. Tons of electrical issues. On two occasions the dealer had to replace some harness that went to the fuel pump. It spent a bunch of time in the shop. And everytime I took it in they took forever to get it fixed, and always blamed it on the Yamaha motor, and parts availibility.

Eturbo924 · 01-04-2002, 10:06 AM

My father had 1990 SHO that had clutch replaced under recall. My 94 SHO had brakes replaced twice and the fuel pump replaced, steering rack replaced and a host of other things. Engine was never an issue though... it was all the Ford crap that they bolted to it that was the issue.

Also the big issue with those cars is the location of the computer.... it was to close to the exhaust... overheated the computer causing the cars to shut down.... mine did it as did my fathers 2nd SHO 1993 auto.

Oh well. It was fun racing BMWs and such with a lowly taurus... as far as many of them could tell.

Eric