First 928 -The story(nightmare?)begins - Page 14

Landseer · 06:49 PM

He doesn't realize you have a 5 speed. There is no neutral/park safety switch on these 5spd cars, nor a clutch-depress safety switch so you always will need to be careful around kids.

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

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Originally Posted by Landseer

Agreed. Good link

What's next?

here is a pic of what it looks like right now

Landseer · 01-09-2011, 08:11 PM

back to the fuel pump relay.

If you probe with a voltmeter terminal 30 and other end of meter on ground, what do you get?
Same, with terminal 87 to ground?

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

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Originally Posted by Landseer

back to the fuel pump relay.

If you probe with a voltmeter terminal 30 and other end of meter on ground, what do you get?
Same, with terminal 87 to ground?

I jumped 87 to 30 and the pump ran and filled my catch can so i then pulled the jumper and hooked up the lines- Is there a way to set up the fuel pump jumper to only turn the pump on when I hit the ignition. 15 TO 30? The way the starter is jumpered (86 to 87) the starter doesn't turn when I hit the ignition but it will as soon as I touch 30 to 87 key or not. I am ready to try and start it but I don't want to hurt myself,burn car or tear something up doing this low brow engineering. Gunar

Landseer · 01-09-2011, 09:53 PM

Naw, you waited this long, wait until this freaking panel problem gets sorted out.

Might be the ignition switch. Need to check for voltage on other 86 terminals, such as on fuel pump relay slot, with / without ignition. Pretty much would narrow it down.

Mrmerlin · 01-10-2011, 06:47 AM

what goes into the relay socket lower rail 3rd from the right??
It looks like it saw a lot of heat note the brown discoloration

Mrmerlin · 08:41 AM

Gunar you need to go back and remove the correct fuses from the panel.
Note there should be atleast 3 empty slots possibly more, check fuses 1, 3 ,7 ,34

also do the same for the relays,
verify the correct relay part number,
use the 928gt.com go to page 2 under tips and links print off a copy.

Make sure that the correct amp fuses are in the correct positions .
Adding fuses into unused slots will possibly cause other circuits to be back fed ,
and either short or or melt wires together

MPDano · MPDano's Garage

Your Panel should look like my 81 Euro since were both CIS.

Disregard the jumper for my Starter

Mrmerlin · 01-10-2011, 08:42 AM

Dano same for you,
Check the fuse charts you may have too many fuses installed

MPDano · MPDano's Garage

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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin

Dano same for you,
Check the fuse charts you may have too many fuses installed

Hi Merlin,

My fuses were totally filled out as I got the car. It looked totally stock as they were all very old. I replaced 90% of them with some brand new ones of the same type/amps. The one missing in the picture is when i was trying to troubleshoot a grounded issue. It ended up being a couple wires smashed by the A/C guy, so i fixed the grounding issue and replaced the fuse.

No wires burning or hot on my CIS car, so I am assuming that all of my Fuses and Relays are correct. Plus everything is working. The only issue I have is the one relay you see jumpered (2 spades and short wire). His variation will be very small as his is a Manual and I am an Auto.

I would say mimic what I got and see if this helps. If burning continues, then I bet he has a short somewhere. Would a bad ignition switch do that? Not sure.

When you got the car, were you able to turn it over with the Ignition Switch?

Landseer · 01-10-2011, 09:44 AM

There was a change in fuse panels between 81 and 82, just very confusing.

Also, a change from bridge to relay, but its not clear where in the 82 production the change was made and for which market(s).

Three different base 928's were on the street. USA, ROW and ROW S.

Here's some interesting information I found last night and posted on rennlist, but I know that you don't go there much. You might want to do a good thread on your own website with the full information, once we derive the real answers on which 82 5 speed cars if any use the start bridge and which use relays.

Below "up til now" means up til 82, because this was taken from the 1982 service year book

Mrmerlin · 01-10-2011, 10:05 AM

Dano all i am saying is to get the fuse relay chart and verify you have the correct fuse slots filled.

It is common that there are empty fuse slots in all years of 928, seeing all of the fuses installed tells me you didnt follow this advice.

MPDano · MPDano's Garage

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Originally Posted by Mrmerlin

Dano all i am saying is to get the fuse relay chart and verify you have the correct fuse slots filled.

It is common that there are empty fuse slots in all years of 928, seeing all of the fuses installed tells me you didnt follow this advice.

No worries Merlin. Car is still at the Painters (almost 4 months now), so it's really on the back back-burner for me. Focusing on the 928S I actually have possession of at my house.

I'm kinda thinking, if it ain't broke, why fix it. Good info though. No disrespect to ya.

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

Will this work? Any way to check it?

neil30076 · neil30076's Garage

Yes, it will work, assuming you got the pins in the right sockets! Contact roger at 928srus for a kit to rebuild the connector.

Landseer · 01:53 AM

More information on our 82 panel question (i.e., was a 53-style starter relay or a relay bridge used for manual cars )

I say all 82 should have the relay. And, 82-on also has a bridge --- in the trunk area under the hatch!

ROW and USA PET manuals list a "bridge". You know what? I bet that "bridge" for 82, even though it is listed in the CE Panel area of the PET, is actually the little short wire that is fitted to the white terminal in the trunk area.

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

I took the CE panel out and went over it thoroughly and cleaned the grounds etc at the suggestion of Chris. I also replaced the 53 relay for the starter(Merlin thought the whole mess was due to bad relays which I think was the problem) and now everything works with the ignition key(no more hot wires). I am going to try and start it again but I am still unsure which side to plug my damaged green wire ends. I have a new Bosch plug on the way but I won't know what sides are the correct orientation when I go to install it. It have a small fuel leak at the bottom of the fuel tank where the hose connects to it. I will try and tighten the hose clamp there and if that doesn't work I may have to pull the tank and replace or repair. How dangerous is it to try and start it with the fuel leak back there? Can the electrics of the fuel pump ignite it?

MPDano · MPDano's Garage

I don't think you'll ignite the fuel unless there is a short or loose wires back there. Make sure all wires going to the pump are nice and tight, put a catch can with a towel in it and start it. Just make sure to have someone monitor the leak (assuming it starts, which it will).

Landseer · 01-12-2011, 06:49 PM

Agree. Garage door open.

So, we are dealing with the end of the cable furthest from distributor?

You need to know which receptacle gets the shield, which gets the core?

gbgastowers · gbgastowers's Garage

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Originally Posted by Landseer

Agree. Garage door open.

So, we are dealing with the end of the cable furthest from distributor?

You need to know which receptacle gets the shield, which gets the core?

Yes sir. That's my latest need. Gunar