Driver 1970 911T coupe value?

[911Toby]

I'm thinking about selling my 1970 911T coupe. Values seem to be all over the place, would appreciate some opinions.

Car is in Canada, about one hour away from Toronto.

4 speed manual transmission

A previous owner sanded it to bare metal and painted it silver around 2002. It was originally Signal Orange.

The good: engine is strong, apparently a previous owner did the top end and installed chain tensioners; brakes, steering good. List of owners goes back to 1980. Winter stored. Comes with fiberglass ducktail and spare decklid. Previous owner had the gas tank and front suspension pan support replaced. I replaced shifter bushings and hand throttle parts, both work well now. I also added period correct rear bumpers. Front bumper is steel.

The not so good: wheels are reproduction, no tools, no manual. The fuel level gauge gets a little stuck when it gets under 1/2, the clock doesn't work, radio is not original. Not much in terms of maintenance receipts.

Many pics and three (short) videos:
1970 Porsche 911T - a set on Flickr

Thanks!

[911Toby]

Adding some images here for those who don't want to see the full set at Flickr.

[techweenie]

Something very unsettling here. Your photos show no torsion bar caps. If metal work was done to repair the quarters and the torsion bar access was removed, that is a problem. The right rocker looks slightly off -- as if there may be a lot of filler there. Gaps are suspicious, too.

It may be that some creative bodywork was done previous to your buying the car. I think a PPI might be an important step toward establishing a value.

[911Toby]

Thanks for the response!

Can you please be more specific?

The torsion bars look like they have caps, they look the same as one of your pictures:
IMG_1614 | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

There are only two gaps that look off to me. The grill beside the front right headlight was a little off, but it just needed to be adjusted. I didn't notice it until I looked at the pictures. The other is the passenger door - it looks like a combination of bad adjustment and an aftermarket door seal that's a little big.

I think the rockers were replaced/repaired in the 2002 restoration, but they are steel.

[914agogo]

very odd placement of the tow hook piece, not right and no torsion access hole??? someone not familiar with Porsches did the body work and is questionable. makes you think what else did they get wrong

[Jrboulder]

I think someone painted it with the covers on. If you look really closely you can see them.

[techweenie]

The fender is off kilter, so even adjusting the horn grille and turn signal housing on the right side, it is not parallel with the bumper. The extra gaskets under the horn grille show what Rich is referring to with someone not familiar with Porsches.

Here is how quarter panels are supposed to look (photo is from a SWB, so torsion bar cover is closer to the wheel opening than it would be on your car).



All the issues are fixable, of course, and the car can be sold as a driver without changing a thing. But I think the value is hovering in the low teens because of visible problems and unanswered questions, and can vary based on PPI results.

[techweenie]

Originally Posted by Jrboulder

I think someone painted it with the covers on. If you look really closely you can see them.

Your eyes and mine are calibrated differently.

[markvg]

I agree that the prices are all over the map. True maket value of 911Ts that seems to be selling vs what habitually gets re-listed at too high of $ seems to be between low mid 20s to mid 30s. Condition, quality of records/restoration, numbers matching/originality, and how well the add if put together seems to make the difference. I have seen some go as high as 40.

[911Toby]

Tough crowd, but I guess I asked for it.

When I woke up I realized what you meant by the torsion cover - last night I thought you meant it was welded shut even under the fender. We can add that to the list of annoyances, but it's not a bad fix. I'll take a look at it later today, and see what it looks like inside the fender there.

Most of the rubber seals are not OEM, and agreed, it probably wasn't restored at a Porsche shop. They weren't so expensive 12 years ago, and the owner probably wanted it decent but not perfect.

Not sure what the front tow hook should look like? That's one of the few things I do have a receipt for, and it was done at a Porsche shop to the tune of $4000 a few years ago. The reproduction panels very much have the hook in the middle: Restoration Design | Front suspension pan with tow hook

To be clear, I did say it was a driver, and I'm thinking high teens for price, not $40K. Someone will complain about the beer cans being used to direct air over the engine next. That was an idea from these forums.

[Matt Monson]

911Toby,
I don't think people are complaining so much as giving you an honest assessment. If something is wrong it is wrong. Doesn't make it a complaint. Don't take it personally. Being armed with the truth about your car makes you better equipped to sell it since these are questions that real buyers will have. This group is here to help you.

[914agogo]

even if I blow up the pic you cannot see the access hole, it appears that its been filled and painted.
Also at $4000, likely that was the price for a suspension pan replacement, however the tow hook piece should straddle the pans lateral support beam.
the way its tacked on, a tow guy would probably do some damage to pull the car from the hook, so if that was a Porsche shop who did the replacement, that has to raise some questions.


again it can be reversed without too much trouble but it would really need to be relocated or plainly removed as it is not MY favorite place to hook up a 911.

I have seen too many of these situations where the tow hook was ripped open by tow co.....(see second foto) an unnecessary trauma to the underside..

[911Toby]

Sorry if that came across wrong, I really do appreciate all the responses! It's a little hard to be under the microscope like this, but I was smiling when I wrote that.

I bought the car from a friend (he had to move for a job) never having seen a classic Porsche in person before, so this is all new to me. I want to make sure the state of the car is as clear as I can make it, so the next owner knows what they are buying and is happy with their purchase. Would an asking price of $18,000 be reasonable?

[CountD]

I think your car is sweet - I always wanted a silver T model year '70 (the year I was born). It looks really clean, it looks very inviting, and despite the issues I like the looks of it. I don't think $18k is unreasonable in this market and the best place to start is up and you can ALWAYS go down. If you could fix a few issues (obviously you aren't going to grind off the body work to find the torsion holes), but if some things are made to fit better with real gaskets (or no gaskets), who knows? I don't think $18k is unreasonable....don't get down on any of the comments as you came to the right place to get constructive criticism and that's what you got.

[911Toby]

Taking pictures of the inside of the fenders was interesting, but I think they solve the mystery. It looks like those sections were cut out and replaced, right?

Does this pic of the hook show that it's better, or is it still bad? It looks like it's tacked to the lateral support.