Want an Olive Green 911SC?

[COLB]

There is a non-sunroof coupe for sale on eBay with "no reserve" -- with the auction ending tonight.

There is a catch, though -- it is currently painted purple, and is being sold only with a "bill of sale". Engine runs, but needs to work to drive.



Porsche 911 SC | eBay

I know the title issue almost certainly makes this a "parts car" or a track project.

But given the demand for the previous Olive Green car flipped here, the fact this is a NSR coupe, and it appears to come with sport seats (if you pay extra) it raises a question -- what is the point of inflection where impact bumper cars warrant restoration?

I'm not talking 3.0 Carreras or Club Sports -- but just conventional models whose options/colors give them enough price premium -- in the $30k+ where (if bought cheaply enough) it becomes at least a "break even" proposition to strip, repaint, and rebuild a needy car like this.

Not a concours restoration -- but a good quality, $20-30k DIY variety for person with a workshop, skills, and spare time.

Again, not saying this is a car worth going that way with -- but if it weren't for the title, it might be close.

[christiandk]

Yeah, that color brings back memories.

The kick panel is rotted away in the drivers side. Does not bode well for the rest of the critical areas.

[Matt Monson]

I saw that car. It's a grey market import, which may be tied to the title issue. On the upside that means Euro power and weight. Honestly surprised that its up to $9k. Given the usual feeding frenzy the final half hour of an auction I suspect that turd will hit $15k before its all done. And given the title issue my money is on it going back home to Germany or elsewhere in Europe.

[COLB]

The title may be the deal breaker, although some states have work arounds for old cars on bill of sale -- provided a search demonstrates it was not stolen, or salvaged.



A shot of the original paint color and the VIIN plate.

The rust on the driver's side rocker gives one pause, but the floors are solid, and the rest of the body panels are visibly sound.



Driver's floor looks good.



Obviously, who knows what lurks beneath. Being a galvanized car, hidden rot is merely a serious concern rather than a guarantee like in an earlier car. There is a chance it could be localized.

Claims to have books, tools, and Fuchs wheels -- though condition doesn't sound great. Reading further, the sport seats are "period correct" rather than original. But still not bad to have.

Once I retire and get a real workshop, I aspire to get a project car that I can restore myself. I understand it is almost always a losing proposition -- but what hobbies are free?

This would be the type of car I would consider. Low buy-in, generally intact, minimal bodywork (if that rocker is the only issue), reasonable parts prices (no "one year only" unique bits) and having something interesting and desirable at the end.

[Matt Monson]

That's not the vin plate. That's the federalization plate from when it came in.

[COLB]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I saw that car. It's a grey market import, which may be tied to the title issue. On the upside that means Euro power and weight. Honestly surprised that its up to $9k. Given the usual feeding frenzy the final half hour of an auction I suspect that turd will hit $15k before its all done. And given the title issue my money is on it going back home to Germany or elsewhere in Europe.

You may be right.

If you want a non-sunroof, olive green coupe -- how many do you think were made, and how many survive?

This may be it. Which means somebody may be willing to pay real money for a car most would relegate to the crusher if it were a red targa.

[speeder]

I saw that one on an ebay browse yesterday. What a horrible car. What a horrible market we are in that anyone would even consider this hunk of schit. And with two horrible colors, IMO. I like unusual colors on 911s but that green would ruin the value of a 1974 Super Beetle.

And MM caught the "VIN plate" caption. That plate was made in someone's basement in New Jersey, not Stuttgart. This car was likely never imported properly into the U.S. or it has a theft history is my guess. Interpol should be looking at this auction. And yes, I know that all grey market cars had that cheesy "VIN plate" glued on.

I can smell that car through my monitor. If someone buys it, make it part of the deal that it's not shipped with those disgusting Lazyboys in it. Can you imagine the stink?

[Matt Monson]

Might be a Hurricaine Sandy car. Might also be selling without a title because its real title is salvage and they would just rather not say.

[speeder]

The current 911 market is like if all of the attractive, available women in the world disappeared and handsome, rich guys were fighting over Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg.

Disgusting. I'm seriously considering ditching my lifelong passion for cars and mechanical objects, selling everything and getting a Prius and switching my interests elsewhere.

[whiterabbit]

I am not sure if the Bill of Sale is 100% an issue. Lots of southern states refuse to issue a title for a car over 25 years old that comes from certain other states. Apparently you can pay specialist firms to sort it out. Its something a perspective owner should research but if the car will be exported it isn't an issue.

If the car is rust free I could see someone restoring this to perfect as the color is so rare and its non sunroof Euro. Looking at the photos however I doubt it is rust free.....................in fact it looks like a total mess with untold problems................

In terms of pricing if he gets 15k its because of the color that someone must desperately want. I can see an easy 50k being put into this car to restore to perfect.

[Matt Monson]

The current 911 market is like if all of the attractive, available women in the world disappeared and handsome, rich guys were fighting over Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg.
Disgusting. I'm seriously considering ditching my lifelong passion for cars and mechanical objects, selling everything and getting a Prius and switching my interests elsewhere

A leapord can't change his spots.

[COLB]

I saw that one on an ebay browse yesterday. What a horrible car. What a horrible market we are in that anyone would even consider this hunk of schit. And with two horrible colors, IMO. I like unusual colors on 911s but that green would ruin the value of a 1974 Super Beetle.

Agree it is a terrible car, and the state of the market is whacky. But that was my point -- is the market wackiness approaching the point where a car like this actually becomes viable to "save"?

As for the original color, to each his own. I think it is a great color.

And MM caught the "VIN plate" caption. That plate was made in someone's basement in New Jersey, not Stuttgart.

Yes. I should have said "that plate with the VIN on it" rather than "the VIN plate". Never meant to imply it was factory.

Disgusting. I'm seriously considering ditching my lifelong passion for cars and mechanical objects, selling everything and getting a Prius and switching my interests elsewhere.

Can you take PML with you when you go?

[christiandk]

Yeah, Dgriz stole it at 12K from a little old lady who needed money for new choppers. Super buy, but I would have kept it.

[MrBonus]

Originally Posted by speeder

The current 911 market is like if all of the attractive, available women in the world disappeared and handsome, rich guys were fighting over Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg.

Disgusting. I'm seriously considering ditching my lifelong passion for cars and mechanical objects, selling everything and getting a Prius and switching my interests elsewhere.

Either buy something fast, soulless, and new and eat depreciation or fight a bunch of flippers and eccentrics over 30 year-old rolling oil leaks that are no faster than a Honda Accord.

Pick your poison.

[6300 RPMs]

Originally Posted by speeder

Disgusting. I'm seriously considering ditching my lifelong passion for cars and mechanical objects, selling everything and getting a Prius and switching my interests elsewhere.

Yup agree! After alot of fun for the last 27 years it's just not the same anymore.
So many scumbags/flippers now.
I will never be that desperate or pathetic to deal with them.
Plus with the prices, might as well buy a new base Mustang with 300 hp, new car smell, less headache and nice warranty for less then the price of a good SC

[christiandk]

Originally Posted by 6300 RPMs

Yup agree! After alot of fun for the last 27 years it's just not the same anymore.
So many scumbags/flippers now.
I will never be that desperate or pathetic to deal with them.
Plus with the prices, might as well buy a new base Mustang with 300 hp, new car smell, less headache and nice warranty for less then the price of a good SC

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by christiandk

Christian, give it a rest dude. That's 3 gay posts in 2 days. It's offensive.

[christiandk]

Funny you should say so, Matt. Thought about it myself. No offence to the gay community - one of my best friends is gay, but rides a bicycle.

[sm70911]

Want and Olive green Euro SC ? .... Yes I would like one very much. Great rare color that in better condition would and should bring top money. After all have you ever seen a Euro or US coupe in this color ?
But this one is already overpriced considering its condition for a US buyer. For a Euro buyer who can do some of the work at almost $10k I think it's at the limit. Pretty obvious the car has had standing water in it.

Seller is an exaggerator, so I wouldn't take to heart anything he says ... aside from the rust description here's my fave
NOTE: I also have an era-correct factory Porsche original set of manual Sport Seats that I will include in this sale IF bidding goes over $15,000. If winning bid is below that amount, they can be purchased separately by winning bidder if desired at a fair negotiated price. They are in great physical shape, very supportive and comfortable, but need to be recovered. Similar seats are selling upwards of $3,000 when restored/recovered

... $3k right ho !!!

[msort81]

One thing I really take from this listing that I think we all feel is the breakneck speed of the rise in prices for the humble SC, and especially for any car in an out of the ordinary color. When we look back to the furor that came to Dgriz when he flipped the Olive Targa. Whilst still a very expensive proposition at $25k for a Targa, if this car sells for $15k to someone who wants to bring it 'back' to originality then the $25k Dgriz got for the Olive Targa seems like almost a bargain. Clearly the used car salesman who bought it got his fingers burned when there were no takers at $35K+ however I'm thinking were it a coupe, and presented right (lower & less armor all LOL) it probably would have found a buyer in the low to mid thirties.
Personally I'm getting whiplash from the rise in asking prices. Just wonder whats going to happen when a few of the new owners who don't wrench start getting some pretty hefty repair bills.