Pelican Parts
Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   Pelican Parts Forums > Porsche Forums > 911 / 930 Turbo & Super Charging Forum


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 6 votes, 4.17 average.
Author
Thread Post New Thread    Reply
Registered User
 
Garen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 402
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSPTurtle View Post
Bull*****... cough, cough. I think you left a few things and a few Benjamins out of that roadmap

Hah!! That's funny

I think Craig listed "the rest" in his signature...

__________________
Garen (87 930 track rat)
Old 09-19-2007, 02:59 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #21 (permalink)
Registered User
 
gumba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,172
3.5 twin plug Ca. smog legal. 380 crank h.p. @ .9 boost

3.5 Mahle 7:1
SC cams
ARP head & rod bolts
twin plug heads
Bosch 12 plug distributor
stock CIS & wur
K27 & 46mm Tial w/g
DP i/c
SSI's
DP muffler
Max. power @ 5500 rpm, max torque @ 4000 rpm
A/F is 11-12:1 throughout rev range. I have a Brian L. wur I haven't installed.

'79 930/DP935
'75 Carrera RS look race car
'73 S coupe
'68 VW Crewcab w/3.2, 46mm webers, HPV1, 5 sp, & more.
Old 09-19-2007, 03:26 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #22 (permalink)
OFF THE BOOST PIPE NOW...
 
A930Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Mount Pleasant, South Carolina
Posts: 8,259
400 rwhp.

Kokeln intercooler
GHL headers
Zork tube
K27HFS turbo
MSD 6AL
Tial WG with 1 bar spring
Ported heads (for future 3.2 intake and EFI)
IA fuel head
964 cams (although I now wonder if I got the correct grind from EBS)
ARP rod bolts and headstuds
BMC air filter (just had it, so who knows what it added or subtracted)
Old 09-19-2007, 05:42 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #23 (permalink)
Moderator
 
Porschephd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: OverlandPark KS (Kansas City)
Posts: 530
433 RWHP
K27HF
iA head mod
Mahle 3.4
Extensive head work
Matched cams to the head work
BB headers
HPX twin plug
1 bar tial
ARP Head studs
ARP rod bolts
Power flow
Magnacore wires
C2 intercooler
Adjustable WUR
__________________
Stephen
94 3.6Turbo 6-speed AWD
Old 09-19-2007, 05:47 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #24 (permalink)
7.0:1 > 11.3:1
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Calgary
Posts: 2,072
Garage
379 RWHP at .8 bar "Mustang Dyno" little to no intercooler effect on dyno.


3.3 Stock bottom end
930 stock heads with intake port enlarged to 38mm
964 cams (not confirmed)
3.2 intake manifold
Powerhaus scrap headers
Turbonetics 62-1,V, .87A/R
SDS fuel and twin plug spark management
Straight through muffler
Big grin after driving it

Last edited by Jim2; 09-19-2007 at 08:00 PM..
Old 09-19-2007, 07:56 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #25 (permalink)
Got Boost?
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NH
Posts: 135
dont have #s on my motor yet but can give specs
3.3 ltr. bumped to 8 to 1 comp. O-ringed cmw stage 3 heads, 964 cams, arp stuff, 3.2 intake, bell intercooler huge enough to heat up big breakfast on chilly track day mornings, 934/935 single turbo headers, t-36 with mid size exhaust housing, tec 3r, tial w/gate, plan on .8-.9 bar hoping for 500 rwhp
trying to make car as light as possible (82 euro 930 with f/glass everything)
should be quicker than the 318ti I have been tracking the last several years
I do have some #s on my friends car
early 76 930 bumped to 3.2 liters, 3.2 intake, big intercooler, 993 n/a headers with twin garrets, this is run by an early tec-2 programmed without a wideband
on the dyno several years ago it made 504 at the wheels when the clutch let go (looked like it was headed for 550+) with lots of trq.
I believe this run was made at 1.1 or 1.2 bar
his car has a re-geared g50 in it that he feels is worth many horses
-and yes it goes sideways very nicely
__________________
john bradshaw
comscc.com
porsche 930rs
SPA #227
Old 09-20-2007, 07:10 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #26 (permalink)
 
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 12,289
Quote:
Originally Posted by sand_man View Post
I haven't been to the dyno yet. I've been waiting for the missing link, before I pony up the funds for a dyno run: my C2 Turbo intercooler, which will be installed shortly. However, I'll venture to say, based on other dyno sheets from similar builds, that I've got 390 at the wheels:

*K27-7200
*OBX heaterless headers
*.80-.90 bar
*3.4L Ps&Cs
*SC cams
*Twin-plug heads
*7.3:1 CR
*Electromotive XDi crank fired ignition with MAP sensor
*B&B intercooler
*Borla XR-1 muffler
*Imagine Auto fuel head
*Brian Leask WUR
*Brian Leask RPM solenoid trigger
*ARP head studs
*ARP rod bolts
*C2 bypass valve
*Fully de-smogged

I think the weakest link in my setup is the basic K27, but one day that'll be changed too


I have a very similar build as you - the wur and the IA fuel head. I have the European one and an older crank fires system. I got about 355-360 at ehe wheel. Wow, can the fuel head make that much difference?
Old 09-20-2007, 08:38 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #27 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 12,289
BTW, are we talking pump gas here. Err, wouldn't make much difference.
Old 09-20-2007, 09:10 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #28 (permalink)
Me like track days
 
Craig 930 RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 10,205
And very much like my setup - which has 430-438 RWHP on a Dynojet.

Fuel head will not.
It simply makes the AFRs safer and *in general* does not contribute directly to a power increase -
--------
Friend also with an '82 has stock internals and stock ignition - before the K27 HFS turbo (and fuel head for safety) he was at 360+- hp.

Judging by our last track day together, I highly suspect he is now at 400+
__________________
- Craig 3.4L, SC heads, 964 cams, B&B headers, K27 HF ZC turbo, Ruf IC. WUR & RPM switch, IA fuel head, Zork, G50/50 5 speed. 438 RWHP / 413 RWTQ -
"930 is the wild slut you sleep with who tries to kill you every time you "get it on" - Quote by Gabe
Movie: 930 on the dyno
Old 09-20-2007, 09:19 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #29 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 2,062
Garage
Pump gas of course we would like to hear what people are doing on race gas, just that it be noted as such.
Old 09-20-2007, 09:25 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #30 (permalink)
resident samsquamch
 
sand_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cooterville, Cackalacky
Posts: 6,815
Quote:
Originally Posted by look 171 View Post
I have a very similar build as you - the wur and the IA fuel head. I have the European one and an older crank fires system. I got about 355-360 at ehe wheel. Wow, can the fuel head make that much difference?
Also, keep in mind, my "numbers" were prefaced with a discalimer - I have not been on the dyno. Who knows where it will play out. 390 seemed like a decent estimate. I have certainly put some things in place to hopefully keep the engine safe. My fuel head flows a ton of juice. And the MAP sensor on my Electromotive ECU really works to retard my timing as the boost and RPMs climb. Also, only running .8 bar spring in the Tial. One day we'll see...
__________________
-jeff
back in the saddle: '95 993 - just another black C2
*SOLD*: '87 930 GP White - heroin would have been a cheaper addiction...
"Ladies and Gentlemen, from Boston Massachusetts, we are Morphine, at your service..." - Mark Sandman (RIP)
Old 09-20-2007, 09:44 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #31 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 1,077
125Shifter-

David, I think your numbers look good. You have the bigger pistons, cams and compression bump and essentially the 3.2 intake matched set up. With a modded CIS, I think you would only be at about 430-440 rwhp at best, so in my non-expert opinion, you are where you should be with a proper EFi!

Isn't your car pretty darn fast as is? Just wondering why you want to go to a bigger throttle body. I would think you are cooking the hide off your rear tires right now! LOL.
Old 09-20-2007, 10:01 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #32 (permalink)
 
Me like track days
 
Craig 930 RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 10,205
http://www.parkplaceltd.com/vehicle.aspx?s=blank&year=1991&make=Porsche&model911%20Turbo%20-%20739hp&inv=304&vin=WP0AA2964MS480221&pos=45&current=1&size=50

What the ultimate EFI engine can do - a Holcombe build.



It isn't 739 at the wheels as the ad says, but still.......YIPES, it is a quick car.
I checked it over in person, just down the street.
__________________
- Craig 3.4L, SC heads, 964 cams, B&B headers, K27 HF ZC turbo, Ruf IC. WUR & RPM switch, IA fuel head, Zork, G50/50 5 speed. 438 RWHP / 413 RWTQ -
"930 is the wild slut you sleep with who tries to kill you every time you "get it on" - Quote by Gabe
Movie: 930 on the dyno
Old 09-20-2007, 10:11 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #33 (permalink)
Registered User
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Houston (Clearlake), TX
Posts: 9,269
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by DDDD View Post
125Shifter-

David, I think your numbers look good. You have the bigger pistons, cams and compression bump and essentially the 3.2 intake matched set up. With a modded CIS, I think you would only be at about 430-440 rwhp at best, so in my non-expert opinion, you are where you should be with a proper EFi!

Isn't your car pretty darn fast as is? Just wondering why you want to go to a bigger throttle body. I would think you are cooking the hide off your rear tires right now! LOL.
I'm very happy with the power now, so any changes are in the distant future. As for the tires, I put 315/35-17 BFG KD's on it. It'll light em up in 1st when the boost comes on, but nothing in second. I should be happy with that, but I guess the redneck in me want's to say it'll lay a second gear scratch .
__________________
2014 Cayman S
2011 Cayenne Turbo
1979 930 (475 rwhp at 0.95 bar)
Old 09-20-2007, 10:22 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #34 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,671
Garage
433 RWHP
K27HF
iA head mod
Mahle 3.4
Extensive head work
Matched cams to the head work
BB headers
HPX twin plug
1 bar tial
ARP Head studs
ARP rod bolts
Power flow
Magnacore wires
C2 intercooler
Adjustable WUR
__________________
Stephen
07 997TT
76 911S Targa
87 930 Cab

Stehpan what did that yellow car you built years ago put out? Wasn't it 650 or so?
__________________
63 356 So Called Outlaw
76 930
Old 09-20-2007, 10:57 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #35 (permalink)
resident samsquamch
 
sand_man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Cooterville, Cackalacky
Posts: 6,815
What we need is for VZ935 to post the dyno results of one of his monsters on here! Talk about being humbled!
__________________
-jeff
back in the saddle: '95 993 - just another black C2
*SOLD*: '87 930 GP White - heroin would have been a cheaper addiction...
"Ladies and Gentlemen, from Boston Massachusetts, we are Morphine, at your service..." - Mark Sandman (RIP)
Old 09-20-2007, 10:58 AM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #36 (permalink)
Crotchety Old Bastard
 
RarlyL8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 14,123
Garage
Quote:
I have a very similar build as you - the wur and the IA fuel head. I have the European one and an older crank fires system. I got about 355-360 at ehe wheel. Wow, can the fuel head make that much difference?
It would be difficult to gets past 350HP without head work. That is where I think Sandman's will dyno unless porting was done during the twin plug process.

The modified fuel head is not needed until your current fuel head runs out of adjustment and fails to maintain 12.2:1 A/F on boost. That happens somewhere around 375RWHP.
__________________
RarlyL8 Motorsports / M&K Exhaust - 911/930 Exhaust Systems, Turbos, TiAL, CIS Mods/Rebuilds
'78 911SC Widebody, 930 engine, 915 Tranny, K27, SC Cams, RL8 Headers & GT3 Muffler. 350whp @ 0.75bar
Brian B. (256)536-9977 Service@MKExhaust Brian@RarlyL8
Old 09-20-2007, 04:44 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #37 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: MA USA
Posts: 2,938
I dynoed 352 RWHP and 330 ftlbs on a DynoDynamic dyno at 13 lbs of boost. I found out that is the same HP as a stock 996TT but less torque on that dyno.

3.0L 930 motor
unknown C/R - stock I think
SC cams
DTA EFI
Full bay intercooler built by me
Shorty headers built by me
K27 turbo
Carrera intake
Matched intake ports done by me

It is nice to see what dyno is used. I think some are more conservative that others.
__________________
Dean
911 SC turbo, 3.0L 930 motor, G50, 930 brakes, DTA EFI, 352 RWHP DynoDynamic dyno,
Old 09-20-2007, 05:04 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #38 (permalink)
Me like track days
 
Craig 930 RS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kirkland, WA
Posts: 10,205
If asked, I'd say the fuel head is required above .8 bar for sustained use, for all track use with modifications that even moderately increase HP (and added stress on the engine), and any other event which would challenge the AFRs - ie hot weather with one or more of the above conditions.

I think I've mentioned in the past that a friend - with absolutely stock internals; ie everything from stock P&Cs, 7.0 CR, stock 930 heads and manifold - but with cams, B&B headers, muffler, & stock K27 - achieved 360+ RWHP.

Anyone on this forum with a healthy stock 930 engine can achieve above 360 RWHP on a Dynojet Dyno with:

.8 bar
K27 HFS
Headers
Fuel head (RPM switch definitely recommended to delay hog-rich full boost fuel dump until needed)
Possibly an adjustable WUR

It requires reading up on the fuel management and a medium uderstanding of CIS - beyond that, it isn't actually too hard to do -
__________________
- Craig 3.4L, SC heads, 964 cams, B&B headers, K27 HF ZC turbo, Ruf IC. WUR & RPM switch, IA fuel head, Zork, G50/50 5 speed. 438 RWHP / 413 RWTQ -
"930 is the wild slut you sleep with who tries to kill you every time you "get it on" - Quote by Gabe
Movie: 930 on the dyno
Old 09-20-2007, 05:42 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #39 (permalink)
Stranger on the Internet
 
patkeefe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bradenton, FL
Posts: 3,192
Does my turbo 3.0 SC count? Power at the wheels on a Dynapack...
@5 PSI 234.6 HP/197.1 ft-lb
@7 PSI 251.1 HP/234.5 ft-lb

Stock 8.5:1 CIS pistons, stock bottom end, stock early SC heads. DC-15 cams, race springs, ARP rod bolts, 993 head studs. IA fuel head, Brian Leask WUR, Rajay turbo (Basically T04B in "V" trim). Stock SC heat exchangers, M&K muffler. Water injection (gaseous intercooler) from Greg at BlowerWorks.net. I can probably tweak it to the 8 PSI range, maybe up to 280 HP or so.

Just got home from Watkins Glen. Major positive difference from the 161 RWHP version of the SC. Runs pig rich on the track with the boost on basically non-stop. Still needs some tweaking for track use, but pretty nice on the street.

And, Craig, those Z06's are some wicked track machines.

Pat

__________________
Patrick E. Keefe
78 SC
Old 09-20-2007, 06:19 PM
  Pelican Parts Catalog | Tech Articles | Promos & Specials    Reply With Quote #40 (permalink)
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

 


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:07 AM.


 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2020 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page
 

DTO Garage Plus vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.