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Menmojo takes it to the ultimate degree by installing his intercooler upside down! That's custom!

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Yeah Im a stocker fanatic, down to the radio and wheel locks.. I love presenting my cars as if they just left the factory..That's my thing, and it's the way I like it. ///Criss I'm sure we can still be friends...

I still have my wheel locks...it's the rest that's not...
My car had it's orginal key tags somehow they are gone now and I have been sick ever since.

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interesting thread.

I picked up non-running 78 930 clone/project. did a bit of tinkering on the issues, but then decided to go the full monty on it. meaning, drop the engine/tranny, and refresh the whole car, including a repaint.


but first need to finish the 86 951 project before focusing on the 930. in the final phase ( I hope ) on my 86 951 DE/street car project. SPEC stage III clutch and alum flywheel on the shelf waiting for me to dig in.

///chris and jeff NJ. looks like you have a very similar plan to mine. wevo, turbocraft long neck, new WG, rebuilt or different turbo, WUR upgrade, rarlyl8 center outlet exh.


voitureltd, [QUOTE]Always nice to find one already built, that an enthustiast < with deep pockets > paid for/QUOTE]

love seeing the one with the brains inside. my car had full rebuild on engine, moded, twin plug, and older Electromotive ingition crammed into the side of the engine bay. planning to upgrade to a newer twin plug ignition and put the brains inside similar to that. car has a huge pile of pics and receipts, suspect the PO spent more on this build than if he had just bought a 'real' 930. but suspect that was not what he wanted. was told it dyno'ed at 400 RWHP.


since a clone, no worries about mods and value to me. if it was not a clone and modified, could never have afforded it. but when I do get to the 930, it will take a while to get everything the way I want it. want it to be a showable car I will drive frequently, no plan for this on the track, not sure I have the skills and BALLS for what I hope it will be when done. will have the 951 as my 'new' DE/street car, to replace the NA 911 I retired from the track and cosmetically reverted to stock.

all my cars are drives, but try to make/keep them in great running condition and also presentable.

cant wait to have my 930 on the road.
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forgot obligatory pics. pic of car is from the PO. engine bay is how I got it.

muffler case cracked and hot exhaust into the engine bay and burned some wiring. may have fixed all of those issue, but decided to do full refresh of car.

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Lots of good stuff in there like twin plugs, aluminum injector blocks, and the extended tail for a big intercooler. Nice color on the car too.

You could take all the yellow and blue painted motor parts off and leave them in a 55 gallon drum of industrial carburator cleaner overnight or maybe a few days. Some restoration shops have that or take the parts to a place that does paint stripping.
That would melt all the ugly paint off without doing anything to the metal underneath.
Then spray them with marine grade CorrosionX or Gibbs metal protectant spray if you like a natural magnesium and aluminum finish that doesn't corrode.
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I take it you've never driven one with an additional 75-100 RWHP or more or with a turbocharger that lights early - night and day improvement over the original.
I bet he has ,Your forgetting one small detail

The mods you talk about in order to get 75hp at the rear is
already a Bone Stock ROW EURO car with all the extra power and lighter weight as it left the factory that the US and Grey Market cars missed out on is why 90 percent of owners want to change, the ROW Euro owners dont have that problem of emissions, baggage and engine restrictions

Ronnie You havent driven a real 930 until you've driven an early short stroked Euro,
245 compared to 260hp in a car two thirds the weight of a 78 and later US930'??


Ronnie Early Euro Row cars are night and day improvement over Later HEAVY US cars and until you've driven one you again have absolutely no idea, its not about mods its about the character of an early turbo.

and Your hotrod guzzling down all that fuel from low revs at full boost, whats the point? makes it dull to have it on all the time, no anticipation , no rush, no fun, no suspense,
Your the one who is missing out
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Ronnie You haven't driven a real 930 until you've driven an early short stroked Euro,
245 compared to 260hp in a car two thirds the weight of a 78 and later US930'??


Ronnie Early Euro Row cars are night and day improvement over Later HEAVY US cars and until you've driven one you again have absolutely no idea, its not about mods its about the character of an early turbo.

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Two thirds the weight???
Here are the weights of the 930 per year.
The 89 only weighs 110lbs more than the 78.


Here’s the DIN 70 020 weights for 930’s (coupes)*
1975………….1140kg (2514 lbs)
1976-1977…1195kg (2634 lbs)
1978-1985…1300kg (2866 lbs)
1986-1988…1335kg (2943 lbs)
1989………….1350kg (2976 lbs)
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I'll chime in here, I will research this but I'm pretty sure the RoW cars weighted less than the U.S. cars. The RoW didn't weigh what porsche had stated in the spec. The U.S. cars weights are correct as stated.

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Numbers in the Porsche Technical Specifications (small white) book 78-81 911SC, Turbo 3.3

Manuf. year 1977/1978
Model year 1978 911 turbo
ROW - 300 HP
USA/Japan/Calif - 265 HP

Manuf. year 1979/1980
Model year 1980 911 turbo
ROW - 300 HP
USA/Japan - 265 HP

Manuf. year 1980/1981
Model year 1981 911 turbo
ROW - 300 HP
Canada - 300 HP

Worthy to note that the turbos, cams, heads, internal engine specs, etc are all the same. The differences are the distributors, timing and advance curves, fuel head tuning and exhaust.

Curb weights
78-81 ROW 1300 kg
78-80 USA 1295 kg
81 Canada 1300 kg
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Robby, your post above is so full of misinformation that I am almost convinced that you do not have any actual experience with a "real" Porsche Turbo in any shape or form (Brandon is likely spot-on regarding his thoughts that you are "punking" the members of this forum).

Regardless however, it is laughable beyond belief that you would champion the "stock has character" theme considering your early Turbo has been stripped of much of its stock character. For example, it is equipped with a non-stock, 915 transmission intended for a much lower horsepower 911 model, it has non-stock, Fuchs knockoff wheels, you replaced a perfectly functioning ignition module for a non-stock MSD, you added an intercooler, you replaced the original throttle body, you swapped the OEM wastegate for an aftermarket one, you replaced the OEM airbox with a pod air filter, the original roof was removed and steel plates were welded to the tub in order to compensate for the loss of structural rigidity (wonder how much weight that added?), 964 rocker panels are present, and the list goes on and on. A fine, full of character stocker you have there, bub.

PS: Regarding turbos - mine had the stock, insanely laggy turbo when I bought it and I remember it well - it is hardly dull to now have a turbo that hits early and has you scooting down the road at a rapid pace while the stocker would still be in "putt putt" mode waiting for higher rpm to get going.

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The putt putt is for when you might be recording to keep records without your secretary on your factory supplied Baumberg cassette and need a little time to react. I'll probably keep one stock one so when I am not able to drive the modded ones. They just are what I really want to drive as long as I can.
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I'll chime in here, I will research this but I'm pretty sure the RoW cars weighted less than the U.S. cars. The RoW didn't weigh what porsche had stated in the spec. The U.S. cars weights are correct as stated.
The Porsche specification books include RoW 930 weights but you have to use them as a starting point. A/C was an option for RoW 930’s (until 1986) and when it was “non-optioned” would reduced 35kg (77 lbs) from the curb weight. Non-optioned sunroof would reduce 10-15 lbs, U.S. thermal reactors from '76-79 (+20 lbs), U.S. door bracing (+10-15 lbs), and U.S. larger rear bumper pads (+10-15 lbs). Otherwise, the ’76-79 weights were the same between U.S. and RoW. The collision shocks used on all U.S. 930’s were also required for many other countries but without them, you would also save ~35 lbs.

German Standard Curb Weight
- The weight of the body with interior trim and the fuel tank
- The engine and gearbox weight will all necessary accessories, such as starter motor, generator and exhaust system, etc.
- The weight of the chassis
- The optional equipment such as automatic gearbox, air-conditioning system, sun roof, etc.

German Standard DIN 70 020 also include:
- Charged battery
- Lubricant, coolant and brake fluid
- Standard tool set
- A fuel tank at least 90% full
- Jack and spare wheel
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Menmojo takes it to the ultimate degree by installing his intercooler upside down! That's custom!
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You could take all the yellow and blue painted motor parts off
part of the plan. from receipts all were powder coated.

the bypass part will come off for the long neck. but definitely want to remove PC from the parts that will remain.

here is what I did to my NA 3.2 when I did the full intake, ign, fuel lines, etc refresh.

thinking about a polished alum longneck from trubocraft. then have the fan/housing also polished. but no fixed plans yet.


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