HP2 Sport; the facts 2

[hawkeyejohn14]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

Some of us simply don't think that far ahead, we actually go on ahead, and just act impulsively, especially where BMW two cylinders are concerned. That a DOHC, radial valve, air cooled, boxer twin, with variable exhaust pressure, and cutting edge handling and brakes..................even exists anywhere..................makes me pant breath like a soon to be mother in La Maze class.

Come on brothers. Put your orders in. Life is brief, death is sure. If not now, the when? Money can be made and lost but time is gone forever. If you hold back you stay back.

There are four of us pelicans so far........who's next?

Oh I want to so bad....sorry kids, no braces, no college, no wedding, daddy needs his stress relief...

btw I just realized Toby Keith's "I got it bad" was playing in the background, perfect moment songs.

I will find a way to buy one of these baby's, I will find a way.... So help me God....

[Dr. Curve]

Thats my kinda man Hawk. There has GOT to be a way to get this bike. I am lucky in that my youngest boy is now in college and my oldest about to get his masters. I, like you, and all dads, feel real gulity about bike purchases and compensate by driving only used older cars and junker trucks. Bikes are my weakest link.................when it comes to rational thinking.

[hawkeyejohn14]

I love my family and they respect my riding. I have spent more on a car and trucks so that shouldn't be a problem. My weakness too, is motorcycles and this is one I really want. THe others were just passing fancy whores, but this Bavarian girl has got it all, beauty, brawn, brains and she looks like she wants to play and I know she will be dependable, no high maintenance floozy here, she's the stuff dreams are made of.... but I digress....what were we talking about....?

[rob_wijhenke]

I'd love one too but considering I'm adding all sorts of nice goodies to my r12s I think I'm holding back for a while. Latest addition the rear wheel hugger and carbon exhaust cover. Belly pan is coming up. And I'm considering to add a tow bar so I can take my trailer wherever I go.

[lennie]

Being family oriented as well and now a single dad, I have to give some careful thought as to how to procure funds for the purchase of the HP2.

Karting is almost over and I could always sell the car and get a van or something cheap.

I have got to have one as I really like this bike. I have it as my background on home and work PCs and just get to like it more just as I did before buying the R1100S 9 years ago.

Can't wait for the day to come. No passenger accomodation, no luggage capability, just right for the non BMW man. Travell light and buy waht you need along the way.

I just wonder how much more performance lurks ?

[sfarson]

Originally Posted by rob_wijhenke

I'd love one too but considering I'm adding all sorts of nice goodies to my r12s I think I'm holding back for a while. Latest addition the rear wheel hugger and carbon exhaust cover. Belly pan is coming up. And I'm considering to add a tow bar so I can take my trailer wherever I go.

We're on the same page. The hype can be contagious but it will fade big time... just like it did with the HP2 Enduro. The R12S is spectacular as is, and is a great platform for all kinds of sweet mods, to transform it into just what you want, from a sporty touring bike to a serious sportbike not taking a backseat to anything.

[mkletecka]

I’m with ya Mr.SFarson, the more I think about the HP, the more I realize that the R1200S will most likely be a better “all rounder” like the GS is to the HP Enduro. All that I am going to do with mine is get the “full” Akrapovic system for they say it clears up/smoothes out & adds more midrange torque/hp to give it near perfect power delivery. I find that the R1200S in it’s stock form already stay’s equal/slightly pulls ahead of my friends GSXR/10R’s and various other machines up to about 120mph, its typically more comfortable, has better range, easy to ride fast and capable of doing 300+ mile days (Here in California, where I ride 99% of the time, I find that the real action is 120mph and below, and more like 50mph to 110mph) and because of this, the current R1200S will due me just fine for a while. In fact, after writing down these feeling/facts about my R1200S, I think I have cured myself of HP fever, I think?

[RoLoo]

Originally Posted by rob_wijhenke

...latest addition the rear wheel hugger...

...you bought W H A T...??
...thought you didn't liked that...

...carbon, or highgloss black...?

[Dr. Curve]

Very accurate assessment, Mkletecka. No question that the R12S is a wonderful riding machine that will be collectable as well, because it symbolizes the end of push-rod valve design in relation to "S" designated engines in the BMW line. No twin from now on will have a "S" in it title unless it has the new head design.

The remainder of the R12S units here, in other countries, and in the factory store-housed areas, will be sold through all of 2008................but by 2009 any twin "S" BMW offers will have the, then current, version of this new overhead cam engine we are soon to see on the HP.

[mkletecka]

Dr. Curve:
Well, it looks like I will be getting a new “S” in 2009, thanks to you. I “only hope” that my R12S is looked upon as a collectable (for BMW will probably drop/offer low interest rates to move through the remaining R12S’s) But as we all know, our hobby is not known for its great financial returns, and God knows I have not made a dime on one of the bikes that I have sold) However, being a man a who favors BMW’s flat twin design, which provide excellent gyroscopic's (the key to why these bikes handle so well) I am glad to see that they are moving forward with machines like the HP, that will/should offer even greater performance and refinement in the same way the current twin is to the previous twin. Anyway, have a good one, and when we both get our new HP’s will have share photos.

[markjenn]

The R12S and the new HP2 versions are fine machines, but they're not going to be "collectable" in any reasonable amount of time. You'll lose your shirt if you're an early adopter and don't hold on to the bike for a long time. That's been the case with almost any BMW recently.

- Mark

[shreddr]

just exactly how many R1200S's were produced so far?

[hawkeyejohn14]

Originally Posted by markjenn

The R12S and the new HP2 versions are fine machines, but they're not going to be "collectable" in any reasonable amount of time. You'll lose your shirt if you're an early adopter and don't hold on to the bike for a long time. That's been the case with almost any BMW recently.

- Mark

The HP2's will be imo....

[jduke]

I think BMW is going to phase out the standard S and go with the HP2. Then mix in another try at a new ST. They are small enough and flexible enough to make "niche" bike for a short time, write off their R&D, and apply the results to a broader based bike. I think we'll see the present S engine in whatever they come out with to replace the ST. They'll continue to make and market the HP2 as long as it makes a profit.
Remember the K1? The Cruiser line? They've always played with an "S", but it's never been a world class sportbike. BMW doesn't seem to shy away from throwing a bike at a hot trend.

[shreddr]

im gonna have to disagree on the "never been a world class sportbike" comment. the R12 is truly world class in many ways, quality, fit and finish, durability, design, power delivery, the list goes on. don't confuse "world beating race bike" with world class sport bike. to me being world class means living at the upper end of the product continuum, and the BMW R1200S certainly does that in style.

[jduke]

I've been a BMW rider for over 30 years. I know and appreciate what a BMW is and I didn't mean anything against a BMW bike. I just meant that BMW corporate has never built a bike with the expressed purpose of taking on and beating the Japanese in a pure sportbike comparison like what you would see in a Sport Bike, Cycle World or similar magazine.
They pick and chose their battles very carefully.

[Deans BMW]

Originally Posted by jduke

I've been a BMW rider for over 30 years. I know and appreciate what a BMW is and I didn't mean anything against a BMW bike. I just meant that BMW corporate has never built a bike with the expressed purpose of taking on and beating the Japanese in a pure sportbike comparison like what you would see in a Sport Bike, Cycle World or similar magazine.
They pick and chose their battles very carefully.

Perhaps you don't remember the first AMA superbike race at Daytona when the BMW R90S beat the best the Japs had to offer.

[jduke]

I remember it well. Very proud moment for any loyal BMW rider. Hopefully someone at BMW corporate remembers it too. Maybe that historic event had something to do with their 190/190 program??
I think all BMW riders would LOVE to see our riders on the podium in a true world class event like World Super Bike or even AMA Superbike.

[YellowRacer]

Originally Posted by jduke

I think all BMW riders would LOVE to see our riders on the podium in a true world class event like World Super Bike or even AMA Superbike.

+1


The 24 hour races were a "real" race... I was extremely suprised/excited when I found out BMW was going to enter them. Expecally the La Mans 24 hour race.

[Deans BMW]

In communicating with Brian Parriott, he is of the opinion that had that rider not crashed at the Bol D Or 24 hour, his bike the #71 bike would have easily had a top 10 or better over all finish to say nothing of easily winning their class.