Baltimore Bridge collapse

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[TimT]

https://gcaptain.com/dali-salvage-baltimore-gas-pipeline/

High pressure gas pipeline halts bridge removal

[Baz]

I wonder if that ship will be able to float and moved with it's containers left on board after the debris is removed from it's bow......

[jyl]

Not referring to this thread - but I’ve seen way more OMFG How Will We Survive coverage of this than I’d like to see in a thinking society. My dad even asked me how badly this would hurt the economy and if cargo blocked in the port would be ruined. Fer Chrissakes. Nothing urgent goes by containership. “No dad, there are not fresh vegetables going rotten in those containers”. The port will be operational in a few weeks, when the bridge is removed. At that point, this becomes a local traffic problem. No more 695, so take 895 or 95. The national hyperventilating has got to stop.

[jyl]

On Maersk stock, the problem for the containership industry is that during the Covid shipping boom way too many new containerships started construction, so now the industry is facing significant oversupply for the next few years or longer. For some reason not understood by me, when this stuff happens, containership companies don’t collectively mothball or scrap older less fuel efficient ships to keep capacity in balance with demand (like cruise lines do), instead they watch container rates and earnings go down and down and down. The Red Sea problem helped absorb new capacity for a while, but that absorption is over and will reverse when the Houthis are eventually stood down. I guess this is known to the markets and hence should be in the price, but Maersk is still above its pre-pandemic price and perhaps it should be below it. To the extent global supply chains shift even a bit to near-shoring, that would be a further negative and maybe that’s what the market is uncertain about.

[KFC911]

Originally Posted by jyl

Not referring to this thread - but I’ve seen way more OMFG How Will We Survive coverage of this than I’d like to see in a thinking society. My dad even asked me how badly this would hurt the economy and if cargo blocked in the port would be ruined. Fer Chrissakes. Nothing urgent goes by containership. “No dad, there are not fresh vegetables going rotten in those containers”. The port will be operational in a few weeks, when the bridge is removed. At that point, this becomes a local traffic problem. No more 695, so take 895 or 95. The national hyperventilating has got to stop.

The "news" and media in general ... brought to us by Chicken Littles .

The more I tune it out .... the better life is.... and it doesn't really suck

Usually

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Baz

I wonder if that ship will be able to float and moved with it's containers left on board after the debris is removed from it's bow......

I don't ever remember hearing that the ship has taken on water from below the waterline hull damage. Need to pull it back into the channel after offloading the bridge steel and containers.

[HobieMarty]

This is interesting stuff.


https://youtu.be/2Wim-_Q_59o?si=YuOuKorPBJLgv-uq


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[1990C4S]

Originally Posted by URY914

I don't ever remember hearing that the ship has taken on water from below the waterline hull damage. Need to pull it back into the channel after offloading the bridge steel and containers.

The video posted above says 'there are reports that two of the four compartments have flooded in the vessel'.

[HobieMarty]

This is from the NTSB YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/YwWVqTy4Ofg?si=AdxbM6BCLdhNa_rb

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[HobieMarty]

https://youtu.be/-rxKQ8Tr94s?si=GLbdgtnzI23vITv2

I like how this guy presents facts.

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[HobieMarty]

This may help some to understand why the bridge collapsed as quickly as it did.

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[URY914]

Originally Posted by Baz

I wonder if that ship will be able to float and moved with it's containers left on board after the debris is removed from it's bow......

Originally Posted by 1990C4S

The video posted above says 'there are reports that two of the four compartments have flooded in the vessel'.

THanks. I can't view the videos. Company firewall blocks them.

[1990C4S]

Usually when someone here says 'this is a good video' I ignore the posting, but the YouTube link posted is worth watching this time.

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by TimT

https://gcaptain.com/dali-salvage-baltimore-gas-pipeline/

High pressure gas pipeline halts bridge removal

This is NOT a concern. We have pipelines all over the place here - I have 3 (or 4?) abandoned gas pipelines running underneath my property plus the sales line that brings us NG for heating our house and shop.

They already bled the line down. Now get on with the salvage operations. When that works concludes, inspect the line with divers and a pig, pressure test it, and get on with life.

Why does it feel like a bunch of old ladies are running the show?

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

Why does it feel like a bunch of old ladies are running the show?

Not that long ago we had a hell of a fire under an elevated freeway concrete structure. This is a major artery into L.A. At first they were talking 3 to 5 weeks. They did it in less than 10 days.

https://www.equipmentworld.com/roadbuilding/article/15658677/burned-la-i10-freeway-reopens-in-8-days-way-ahead-of-schedule

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Not that long ago we had a hell of a fire under an elevated freeway concrete structure. This is a major artery into L.A. At first they were talking 3 to 5 weeks. They did it in less than 10 days.

https://www.equipmentworld.com/roadbuilding/article/15658677/burned-la-i10-freeway-reopens-in-8-days-way-ahead-of-schedule

Thats what I keep thinking... and they had a live video feed of the project. It was impressive.

[flatbutt]

As I recall Philly did something similar

https://billypenn.com/2023/06/11/highway-collapse-philadelphia-i95-truck-fire/

[unclebilly]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

As I recall Philly did something similar

https://billypenn.com/2023/06/11/highway-collapse-philadelphia-i95-truck-fire/

This is the one I was thinking of.