Godzilla wins again - Page 4

kstar · 05-09-2008, 11:19 AM

Seems like an argument re what girl is "prettier", if you know what I mean.

Mule · 05-09-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue

That makes me wonder how reliable all those 800/900/1000 hp "tuner" 996/997's I see in Excellence magazine are.

One of the best Porsche guys around here told me he loves it when somebody installs a boost controller. He says it's almost a guarantee of more work.

onewhippedpuppy · 05-09-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Porsche-O-Phile

Think of how utterly soulless and boring the world would be if it were simply all "engineered" and practical.

I believe we refer to that world as "Germany".

Porsche-O-Phile · Porsche-O-Phile's Garage

Ironic that Porsche comes from there, no?

Also Mies Van Der Rohe, the Bauhaus movement, the Audi R8 and the Cologne Cathedral, but hey - a good stereotype never hurt nobody, right?

onewhippedpuppy · 05-09-2008, 12:21 PM

Superman · 05-09-2008, 12:41 PM

You guys are right about one thing. The Nissan has a lower purchase price. We also seem to agree it's uglier than a Porsche.

But this thread is about performance, or at least I thought so. You guys hear about a very impressive Nurburgring time and now you draw the conclusion that a Nissan is faster than Porsches are. I continue to question you guys' intelligence.

First, as I pointed out, this is apples to oranges. The GT-R is being compared to a GT3. The Porsche GT3 is normally aspirated, while the GT-R is a turbo. The Porsche equivalent is called the "GT2." Again, quite frankly, I'd bet a stock 1997 993 Turbo-S would beat the Nissan.

I guess if someone told you a Land Rover has now recorded the fastest Nurburgring time, then you'd.......oh, nevermind.

Superman · 05-09-2008, 12:51 PM

I just read an interesting fact about the GT-R. Curb weight is said to be just north of 3,800 lbs. You guys still think it's faster than a twin-turbo GT2? And I suppose George W. Bush is a good "president" too, eh?

ToddM · ToddM's Garage

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Originally Posted by Superman

I just read an interesting fact about the GT-R. Curb weight is said to be just north of 3,800 lbs. You guys still think it's faster than a twin-turbo GT2? And I suppose George W. Bush is a good "president" too, eh?

Can you not read the lap times?

7:25 Nissan GT-R V-Spec ~551 PS/~1590 kg 2008-04-08 Car Magazine autoblog.com Unofficial time measured by bystanders at the track

7:29 Nissan GT-R 480 hp/1740 kg Toshio Suzuki 2008-04-16 *manufacturer claim.Press release Standard run-flat tires. Dry track.

7:32.02* Porsche 997 GT2 2008 530 PS/1440 kg Walter Röhrl 2007 *manufacturer claim.Motor Authority, video Semi-slicks tires.

Oh I see the problem, Porsche had Walter Röhrl driving, that guy sucks

kstar · 05-09-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman

I just read an interesting fact about the GT-R. Curb weight is said to be just north of 3,800 lbs. You guys still think it's faster than a twin-turbo GT2? And I suppose George W. Bush is a good "president" too, eh?

If we just focus on which car is faster, what metrics do you suggest we use to determine which car is "faster"?

Should the 'ring times just be tossed out, or do they deserve some weight? It looks like these lap times were made using exemplary drivers.

I think the general comparisons between a GTR and any Porsche are subjective, but which car is "faster" can generally be objectively determined based upon some set of tests. Which ones should we use?

Best,

scottmandue · 05-09-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kstarnes

Seems like an argument re what girl is "prettier", if you know what I mean.

I looked up the Nissan on google, I like the front and side view... but from the back it looks like a Chevy.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

kstar · 05-09-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scottmandue

I looked up the Nissan on google, I like the front and side view... but from the back it looks like a Chevy.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I've been know to trade a bit of "pretty" for better performance.

This applies to cars too.

onewhippedpuppy · 05-09-2008, 01:07 PM

Supe, the GTR beats a 997 GT2 around the Ring, with a man driving the GT2 who is a GOD on that track. So in what way is the GT2 faster?! Furthermore, are you claiming a 993TT is faster than a 997 GT2? If so, I'd love to know where you are getting your information from.

With a bit more thought, you're claiming that both a 997 GT2 and a 993TT are faster than a GTR. But a Carrera GT is only 1 sec faster than the GTR. So does that mean 997 GT2 = 993TT = CGT? I'd love to see some numbers to support that.

ToddM · ToddM's Garage

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

Supe, the GTR beats a 997 GT2 around the Ring, with a man driving the GT2 who is a GOD on that track. So in what way is the GT2 faster?! Furthermore, are you claiming a 993TT is faster than a 997 GT2? If so, I'd love to know where you are getting your information from.

With a bit more thought, you're claiming that both a 997 GT2 and a 993TT are faster than a GTR. But a Carrera GT is only 1 sec faster than the GTR. So does that mean 997 GT2 = 993TT = CGT? I'd love to see some numbers to support that.

The 996/997 is superior in every way to the 993 chassis.

I'd like to know what he's smoking and where I cand find some

scottmandue · 05-09-2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kstarnes

I've been know to trade a bit of "pretty" for better performance.

This applies to cars too.

I'm butt man so the ugly rear thing is a deal breaker for me.

ToddM · ToddM's Garage

HINT: the lesser time is FASTER

thrown_hammer · 05-09-2008, 01:28 PM

I just watched that whole video and not once did Tokyo get destroyed. i want my six minutes back.

thrown_hammer · 01:35 PM

I just watched that whole video and not once did Tokyo get destroyed. i want my six minutes back.

EDIT: Double post. So it is still six minutes not twelve.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

no, stick with 12 minutes. Inflation and all...

Superman · 05-09-2008, 02:08 PM

I'm not dissing the GT-R. I'm not denying the GT-R is competitive with some of the fastest cars on the road today, including Porsches.

But the other thing I'm not doing is.......I'm not reading about bystanders reporting an unofficially VERY fast time for the GT-R and then concluding that Nissan makes a faster car than Porsche does. Every year, somebody writes an article that sounds as if Porsche is getting, or is about to get, it's ass kicked. That's been happening for more than forty years and it's never quite panned out for the challenger(s).

Heck, let's say that the GT-R posted an OFFICIAL time that beats that of any Porsche that can wear a license plate. Then let's say that Porsche decides it wants to defend that specific turf. Next year, you'd see a widebody Cayman with 600 hp and carbon fiber, and the debate would be settled.

onewhippedpuppy · 05-09-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Superman

Heck, let's say that the GT-R posted an OFFICIAL time that beats that of any Porsche that can wear a license plate. Then let's say that Porsche decides it wants to defend that specific turf. Next year, you'd see a widebody Cayman with 600 hp and carbon fiber, and the debate would be settled.

Supe, it DID. I know admitting your wrong doesn't come easily.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/gt-r-drops-ring-time-down-to-7-29

Let me know when the 600 HP carbon fiber Cayman comes out.