Domination

Kieran R1100S · 02-24-2008, 11:35 PM

Go on most forums and you guys in the USA dominate most of them. One because there are 250,000,000 of you and second you must have the most idle time out of the western world. Ha Ha, With saying that, I would also like to say that because of it, We, The Rest Of The World can get good advice on stuff that is related to the same bikes simply because of the Sheer volume of you lot! With any of the bikes you buy, purchase any brand, you receive the lowest price of any country. I'm talking here Thousands $$$$$$ Go on any website and compare the UK, Australia, South Africa, even Germany, and you pay so much less. Call it Tarrifs, Tax, or for the hell of it, better economic Government Shiet!! Your Wages, Salary must be crap in conparison with us or you are just one hell of a lucky country to receive such a benifit. Outside the USA we can pay anywhere between $3,000- $10,000 more in your money for the same bike.
So when one goes out to make a purchase on a bike one would expect to have done his resurch on that model simply because of the cost involved.
I am a 2 x owner on the R1100S. Both bikes new at purchase. I saw the R1200S in mid 2006 and was so disappointed with the design. It didn't stop me from having a test ride though. The power, handling simply left the old bike behind as one would expect from a new model. I didn't purchase one because of the stupid pillion seat. I have to think of my wife! Anyway now 18 months on I am looking at the bike in a new light. My wife is expecting a child, and she will not be getting on the bike for a long time. The problem I am having with just going out and trading my bike on a R1200S is the lack of sales we have had in Australia, and the fact that you guys don't have it offered as a 2008 Model. Is BMW going to pull this bike and give us a new one for 2009? Whats going on.
$21,000AU base price is a lot of money to be riding one of BMW's greatest disapointments. With no resale value!
Whats you comments!

Cheers Kieran

Kieran

Guest24 · 02-25-2008, 05:46 AM

It's prolly because of the writer's strike in Hollywood. We've grown weary of watching the reruns on the tube. LOL

jduke · 02-25-2008, 06:21 AM

I"m thinking BMW is selling through the inventory they have and will come out with a new revised R1200S more along the lines of the HP2Sport but without the pure sportbike power. I also think BMW will have a bike to replace the ST, but with the new, revised engine.
I also "think" BMW is going to let the HP2Sport live as long as it sells in numbers they are happy with. But I think their attention will be on the 190/190 bike for the next few years.
Pure personal opinion.

signit98 · 02-25-2008, 07:11 AM

...the average pay here is crap, compared to the rest of the western world, even for skilled workers... also, it's certainly not a benefit of the Government, trust me... they are working hard on ruining the economy, the reputation and the value of this country, compared to the rest of the world...

Good thing is, if you have half a brain and good work ethics, paired with decent skills in your field, it's fairly easy to be successful with your own business and make a decent living...

Or... you are retired... I'd venture to guess that we have a fair share of both on this board...

ckcarr · ckcarr's Garage

There's 250,000,000 of us and 200,000,000 illegals...

signit98 · 02-25-2008, 07:37 AM

LOL... Craig, I venture to go out on a limb and say that you might find very few Illegal Immigrants on this Penguin Board here....

However, I am with you, if you are trying to imply that they are eating up most of the resources of this country...

Another incredible result of this governing body...

Guest24 · 02-25-2008, 07:46 AM

Como?

jduke · 02-25-2008, 08:17 AM

Perry?

Steve Carlton · 02-25-2008, 08:21 AM

I've seen Brad's papers. He's legit.

martincito · 02-25-2008, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signit98

LOL... Craig, I venture to go out on a limb and say that you might find very few Illegal Immigrants on this Penguin Board here....

They don't have time to post in this forum because they are working.

ckcarr · ckcarr's Garage

Quote:

Originally Posted by signit98

LOL... Craig, I venture to go out on a limb and say that you might find very few Illegal Immigrants on this Penguin Board here...

They are lurkers!

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

Maybe in Europe we're out riding more, instead of *****ing about BMW pricing or model policies on some internet forum.

R1100SPORTour · 02-25-2008, 10:47 AM

Yeah Kieran we are so fortunate let me tell you.Longest working hours,shortest vacations of all industrial nations.But then maybe we don't qualify for being an industrial nation anymore with all our stuff made in china...
50 million of us have no health insurance.Come on over Kieran.Here in Kalifornia you just bend over and pick up the gold...

Illegals?I guess at one point we were all "illegals" or is your name Sitting Bull or "dancing with wolfes"...

But anyways if every job in the US was a union job with decent pay and benefits there would be no "illegals" because there would be no more incentive to exploit our modern day slaves.Slavery is still alive and well in the US but under another name...
As for the R1200S you were not alone with your sentiments.The majority of BMW riders voted with their wallets;the R1200S is not in production anymore.The BMW customer obviously did not like the idea to have not a choice like he had with the R1100S how much practicality and touring ability he/she wanted with their sport,sport,sport...The rest is as they say,history.
If they come out with a worthy sports-touring successor to the R1100S in 09 or 10?
Only the BMW-gods know that answer...

But they probably blow their wad on the "190/190" bike for puberscent adolescents who have waited all their lives for a GSXR1000 with the 3 letters on the tank and swim in cash...As in Kalifornia the economy is so great you just bend over to pick up the gold in streams were milk and honey flows.
Go west young man...

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

No offense, but unions in the US, like in the UK have destroyed more than they did good. Part of the current lousy state of US industry can be directly contributed to the unions. Prime example: auto unions.

If every job in the US was a union job, you are right, there would not be any illegals in the US. Mexico and Canada would have. Americans.

jduke · 02-25-2008, 11:23 AM

Just a brief US history lesson. The times most people alive point to when you ask them about the "Good old days" is the 50's. That's also the time when the Unions had the largest number of members. Like anything, the good times have to end. Unions contributed more to the greatness of this country than they have to the decline. They just happen to be a convenient whipping boy for the large corporations and their supporters.
I've always said, when a worker can walk in the owners office, sit down and discuss a problem, there is no need for a union. But when the owner(s) have someone representing their case, why shouldn't the workers?
How many millionaires got that way with the sweat of their labor alone?

Guest24 · 02-25-2008, 11:30 AM

Last week we beat up on the cops. I guess it's the unions turn next.

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

I don't need no history lesson. I know they did a lot of good back then. But right now, they are doing more damage to companies then they did good when they were needed.

As long as GM can have 10 maintenance electricians walking around at $42/hour, of which 2 are actually doing all the working and 8 are sitting in the coffee room playing cards all day and not be able to fire those 8 because of the union, then something is seriously wrong. Just an example. And you wonder why GM and other car companies are moving production abroad and closing plants in the US? And you have to wonder about why US industry not doing too well?

You are just one step away from what happened in the UK. They don't have any industry anymore. It was all destroyed in the 70's and 80's by the unions and their strikes.

throttlemeister · throttlemeister's Garage

I guess y'all are union people. Keep stickin your head in the sand. Just come back to read this when the next big corp goes belly up because of union practise.

martincito · 02-25-2008, 11:35 AM

There is manny thing to complain about but not the purchasing power parity in U.S.
Here you can buy more goods with the money that you make in one hour than in any other country.
You have to be rich in other countries to buy the motorcycles that we use here every day.
From that point of view this is the best country in the world.

Guest24 · 02-25-2008, 11:43 AM

Jerry, if I could have gone in to Northwest Airlines management and have them negotiate with me in good faith no union would be necessary. Everyone thinks airline pilots are over paid until something go very wrong and the pilots save their a$$. Two years before retirement I along with every pilot on the property took a 35% pay cut and revised the work rules. The people got the same quality of service from the pilots but now one thank you from management. They wanted labor to take the hit for their inability to mange the airline in the black. Unions are responsible for shutting down the sweat shops that now exist all along the Pacific Rim. Henry Ford was working people until they dropped. Unions drove corporations to become safety conscious. Unions are not perfect but then nothing human is.