Does this sound right?

[TMo]

I was talking with a local shop that's fairly well regarded for their paint and body work, and they were suggesting my 1980 needed to be chemically stripped to get rid of all of the factory galvanizing. He said the reason was for paint adhesion. He also said something about how as long as the car was always garaged and driven in fair weather it shouldn't be a problem. He lost me there as I'm building a rain or shine driver, but I continued the conversation because I was curious.

I guess most folks building 911's these days are building garage queens, but I just cant imagine stripping all of the factory galvanization as being the "right way" to do this?

To be clear, this wasn't a low end shop or a discussion about a "cheap" paint job. I was given a rough estimate of $16K-$25K if I delivered the car stripped to the tub and needing little to no body work and doing the re-assembly myself.

Also, Yikes BTW.

[kevbo]

[ben parrish]

Pass…do the thousands of galvanized 911’s running around have “paint adhesion” issues?
And another thing, a 9k range on a paint job is silly…he was baiting you to see if you bought his BS….again, pass.

[Trackrash]

Never heard of this nonsense. Get a second opinion. Also ask in the paint forum here on Pelican.

Painting over galvanized steel is not a problem. Is the paint peeling off of your car now?

I wonder if he meant to strip off the paint, not the zinc coating.

[PeteKz]

That's really stupid. The whole point of galvanizing is to prevent rust. You need to use a primer approved for galvanized steel, but do NOT strip the galvanizing.

Find a different shop.

[GaryR]

LOL!! Strip the galvanizing and 16-25k for no bodywork on a stripped tub, guy looking to retire on your dime?

[icarp]

They are trying to steal your money
Pass on this shop

Icarp
Ian

[2.7RS]

be sure they top muffler fluid too.

[ant7]

He's taking the p**s
Sadly places like this do exist, and in turn it makes it harder for those genuine shops out there to gain the trust and respect they deserve, makes my blood boil
As stated, if you can; check out the body shops who participate in this site, and/or who are recommended by those who have had positive results, and take your car to one of these guys.
Good luck with it.

[Mike Andrew]

Walk away and do as suggested above - find a shop thru others, the forums or PCA.

I did a bare metal, glass out, disassembled repaint in 2014 for about $14,500 all in; paint, new rubber, windshield, headliner. Highly respected shop. Very minimal bodywork needed. His estimate tells me that he's not too interested.

[jac1976]

Originally Posted by Mike Andrew

Walk away and do as suggested above - find a shop thru others, the forums or PCA.

I did a bare metal, glass out, disassembled repaint in 2014 for about $14,500 all in; paint, new rubber, windshield, headliner. Highly respected shop. Very minimal bodywork needed. His estimate tells me that he's not too interested.

This was a good, if not great, price in 2014. If someone can find a deal like this for all the included work, please let me know. I’ll take my car wherever in the CUSA.

[TMo]

Okay, I'm not crazy then.

I just couldn't imagine how stripping the plating could have any actual benefit. He did keep going on about the primer, and how "there might be something new, but this is the product we know"

It's a real bummer. I'd been in the guys shop about a week earlier when he was out, and an employee gave me a tour. They really do some beautiful restoration work, but it sounds like it wouldn't hold up in my use scenario.

Edit to add: The paint on the car now isn't peeling, but it has some scratches and chips from poor handling for the last few decades living as a roller since the last paint job, from which it's still mostly stripped. I want to go back to the factory color instead of the eggplant purple it is now, and figured the best time would be while the car was still mostly disassembled.

[lateapex911]

No, that's a bunch of BS. Makes ZERO sense.

if changing the paint color, you need to strip it way down. You *might* be lucky if the color change wasn't done right and the interior places never got resprayed the non original color.

But if they did, yea, you need to really strip it to the bare shell to do it right.

Where in FL are you? I bet a Pelican has a solid shop that can do the work.

[Flat6pac]

The paint adhesion problem was in the 76 body as the factory was first trying to get the galvanize to accept the paint. In the day you would see a 76 with a complete panel of paint pulling off. By 77 the problem was solved.
Bruce

[AG81]

If you can get a top quality, first rate, paint Job for less than $20,000 please let me know also.
I've talked to 20 shops and it's more like $30,000 to $35,000 for a NO BODY WORK, Glass out,
Full respray. You disassemble the car and deliver it. They paint the doors, hood and decklid off the car and you reassemble and gap it yourself. That pricing would yield a full top end respray.

[ant7]

Why ? What is so different about painting a 911 to any other car ?
This is another aspect of owning Porsche cars or any other prestige brand that annoys the hell out of me, $35,000 for a paint job [in my opinion] on any 911 is nuts! Here in the UK, there are top body shops that would do a superb paint job for a fraction of that!
Seriously guys, I just don't get it

Originally Posted by AG81

If you can get a top quality, first rate, paint Job for less than $20,000 please let me know also.
I've talked to 20 shops and it's more like $30,000 to $35,000 for a NO BODY WORK, Glass out,
Full respray. You disassemble the car and deliver it. They paint the doors, hood and decklid off the car and you reassemble and gap it yourself. That pricing would yield a full top end respray.

[kltarga72]

Originally Posted by ant7

Why ? What is so different about painting a 911 to any other car ?
This is another aspect of owning Porsche cars or any other prestige brand that annoys the hell out of me, $35,000 for a paint job [in my opinion] on any 911 is nuts! Here in the UK, there are top body shops that would do a superb paint job for a fraction of that!
Seriously guys, I just don't get it

+1

$35,000. in North Texas and Florida?
I could see that price if the body is in pieces or wrecked. You need to have a Pelican find you a quality reasonable paint and body shop.

[jac1976]

Originally Posted by kltarga72

+1

$35,000. in North Texas and Florida?
I could see that price if the body is in pieces or wrecked. You need to have a Pelican find you a quality reasonable paint and body shop.

Well, AG81 and I would like to know the going price for a reasonable paint and body shop to do the aforementioned work and where to have it done. Thanks.

[ant7]

The real tragedy of the ever increasing and unrealistic [IMO] cost of renovating these cars is that most will be owned by those who choose to keep these cars as garage queens and not be used and driven enthusiastically as Porsche originally intended.
After being a member here since 2007, and over that time reading many posts concerning the cost of repairing and re-building all aspects of these cars I have to say that it truly saddens me that these cars will no longer be within the reach of ordinary working folk like myself and dare I say many of you here, and thus the thrill of driving these exceptional machines will likely only be experienced by those privileged with deep pockets.

I have worked and been involved in all aspects of the motor trade since I was very young, including many years in motorsport, and have participated in building new cars for rally, and tarmac, so I do have experience of what it takes, and the realistic costs involved in producing and maintaining these cars.

The story behind why I own an air cooled 911 is very short and possibly very similar to many here; when I was around 12 years old [quite a while ago now] I remember being at school when a teacher pulled up in one of these cars, first it was the sound, and then the sight of this car in comparison to all the other mundane cars in the car park just blew me away, and although at the age of 12, and coming from a relatively poor background I never envisaged being able to ever own one then, however; that image stayed with me long into adulthood.

I guess what I am trying to say is this, these cars like many other brands of their ilk need to stay within the reach of those who appreciate them most i.e.; those who are going to drive them, maintain them, and above all enjoy them for what they are; an exceptional and thrilling driving machine, ie; enthusiasts, and not just as an investment.

I apologise in advance to the original poster if they feel my post here has in any way detracted from their original thread.

[kltarga72]

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