VIN Replica Door Jamb Decal

[Dean_Fuller]

I just had a friend make these for me on his computer. I used a 1980 US model as an original. Not sure what years would be a match. They are same size as the original. NO Porsche part number on them so NOT a EXACT copy. The silver/gray color is darker as well...but for those that don't have one or are doing a full repaint...this will work. The font is dead on. I plan on taking tracing paper and do a scrape ( pencil ) over the VIN and date and then use a very small drill to transpose the preferation....I think this will work. It is the proper size and has a plastic face feel so I think it will survive well in the door jamb.

Just to be CLEAR! There is NO Porsche part number as the originals would have. These are NO longer available from Porsche. The COLOR is OFF and a knowledgeable 928 person would be able to tell the difference. This is for COSMETIC purposes ONLY! Just to complete the repaints...The VIN should always be checked at the A pillar and NOT the sticker anyway.


Next up will be replication paint code stickers too boot.

[nuts4porsche]

if u are painting ur car,for the first or 5th time doesnt matter, if u do it yourself or have someone do it it for u- "hint"- put vaseline on all stickers and badges,no paint will stick...wipe off!

[Dean_Fuller]

Here is the Auto Cad number font. One is Garrett's VIN and the other is a master. Some of these numbers I do not have so feed back on errors would be nice.

[neil30076]

Leo ( MPdano) did a post on this as part of his repaint saga. In Calif, these would not be acceptable. I have done several repaints here on 914, 928 and an MG, always mask out the vin , color sticker and others, so the DMV does not challenge !

[Normy]

The ROW cars didn't have that sticker. That is only required in the United States. You probably cannot get a US-style sticker for your ROW car. And you probably don't want one! In most states, cars over 25 years old are exempt from emissions regulations. They have to have the emissions equipment that the car came with, but there is nothing about the ROW pre-'86 cars, which have NO pollution equipment at all. These were "federalized", but since they are more than 25 years old, the federalization is invalid. You are allowed to bring a 1985 928S2 from Europe these days with NO changes whatsoever. And as such, my current '85 S2 doesn't need any pollution controls. There is no inspection at ALL in Florida, so I do not need to deal with this each year. My car will probably meet California emissions. A properly managed and proficient fuel injection system will result in emissions that are within pollution standards. A catalytic converter is just an emergency scrubber; It was devised at a time when carburators ruled, and these devices were used only because they were cheaper. Fuel injection allowed a much closer fuel tailoring to the air coming into the engine, and as such, generally don't need "scrubbers" such as catalytic converters.

-My dad removed the plastic plug from the filler of his '77 Cadillac de Ville so that he could introduce leaded fuel to that 7.0 liter engine. He did NOT remove the catalytic converters...!

A few years later, the pink Cadillac, which needed 13.0 seconds to reach 60 mph, was a source of fun to my friends: My friend Chris outran this Cadillac with an '84 Olds Cutlass two door and a 3.8 liter V6 engine with all of 112 hp~

That's right- A Cadillac 7.0 liter big block got its ass beat by a low power carburated Buick V6~

That's what you wind up with '70's vintage American cars. They can't get out of their own way...


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[neil30076]

Absolutely right, Normy.
Except here in the great mistake of CA - testing is required for any car built after 76!. I gave up on trying to get my 84 euro ( with valid CA stickers, BAR tag, etc) through smog and inspection by DMV, so I gave it to my daughter who is in South Carolina! Now she is moving to VA, so I need to do battle over there to get it registered :-)

[Dean_Fuller]

If you do a search the 911 community has been doing this for some time. I would assume that unless your a Pcar person you would not notice its a repro...as long as the VIN matches the A pillar plate. And as already stated...a lot of people ( even US cars) have removed them for repaint reasons.

[neil30076]

I hear you Dean, but our local DMV's in San Diego, LA, SF, are so used to seeing ROW and exotics they know all the tricks. I took my 84 euro to them for a VIN verification and the inspector pointed out my front ( US required) side markers were missing, because i removed them and restored teh car back to ROW spec! :-)

[Dan951]

Nice job on the decals. Im impressed!

[Dean_Fuller]

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/493381-can-someone-tell-me-size-vin-sticker.html

an interesting read....but maybe it would be a problem in some Cali areas. This sticker is not the VIN sticker. The VIN is on the A pillar. This sticker is a US emissions required sticker when new.

[Normy]

Originally Posted by neil30076

Absolutely right, Normy.
Except here in the great mistake of CA - testing is required for any car built after 76!. I gave up on trying to get my 84 euro ( with valid CA stickers, BAR tag, etc) through smog and inspection by DMV, so I gave it to my daughter who is in South Carolina! Now she is moving to VA, so I need to do battle over there to get it registered :-)

Move to Flori-duh. One of the few good things about living in this place is the lack of vehicle inspection. You could mount an R-4360 in the nose of your 928, and it would be legal to drive down the road~

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[Dean_Fuller]

CRAP...am I the only one that doesn't know what a R-4360 is ???? Norm?

[neil30076]

Originally Posted by Dean_Fuller

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/493381-can-someone-tell-me-size-vin-sticker.html

an interesting read....but maybe it would be a problem in some Cali areas. This sticker is not the VIN sticker. The VIN is on the A pillar. This sticker is a US emissions required sticker when new.

Absolutely correct, Dean. In CA, they look to the door sticker for the emissions compliance - VIN is from the A-pillar. If they suspect, because their records go way back, that the car was grey market they look for signs of tampering.
I have owned my 81 from new, bought it here in CA. Moved to Atlanta, back to CA, and they gave me a really hard time over re-registration. I had the plates from when i lived in CA, the original registration and other papers, but I still had to go through a DMV/CA Chips inspection!

[JhwShark]

A big old supercharged airplane engine...

[Dean_Fuller]

Originally Posted by nuts4porsche

if u are painting ur car,for the first or 5th time doesnt matter, if u do it yourself or have someone do it it for u- "hint"- put vaseline on all stickers and badges,no paint will stick...wipe off!

I don't see how this procedure works. In theory yes. But...After paint the taped edge areas are removed while the paint is WET. How can you wipe something off like a sticker while the surrounding paint is WET? If you wait until its dry then your in trouble I would think. But this is water under the bridge at this point.

[F18Rep]

I tried the vaseline trick a few years back. When the paint hit the vaseline, it diluted the vaseline into a oily like stuff that ran - down into the wet paint. A sort of run/fish-eye combined - the worst always seems to happen to me when I try to get too tricky. I like the repro sticker idea... Bruce

[trauma2]

mine is a 1980 911 sc gray market. i am in the process of trying to find out the exact size of the plate in the window by the a pillar not on it. my recollection is pretty good and i remember that it did not have rivets and was located on drivers side about 3-4 inches from a pillar. it was very thin aluminum and about 2-3" in length and about 1/2'' high with rounded edges. i don't recall having a b-pillar sticker ever. does anyone have the measurments on an original window vin plate? i am selling this to a gentleman in california and he said he needs both. the vin plate i can understand but the b-pillar is it required by CAL state law or just a suggestion. i have a local shop willing to make the plate just need the size. just for good measure does anyone have a contact for the door jam(b-pillar) sticker? thank you for any info

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by trauma2

mine is a 1980 911 sc gray market. i am in the process of trying to find out the exact size of the plate in the window by the a pillar not on it. my recollection is pretty good and i remember that it did not have rivets and was located on drivers side about 3-4 inches from a pillar. it was very thin aluminum and about 2-3" in length and about 1/2'' high with rounded edges. i don't recall having a b-pillar sticker ever. does anyone have the measurments on an original window vin plate? i am selling this to a gentleman in california and he said he needs both. the vin plate i can understand but the b-pillar is it required by CAL state law or just a suggestion. i have a local shop willing to make the plate just need the size. just for good measure does anyone have a contact for the door jam(b-pillar) sticker? thank you for any info

I got one on my 928 Euro. That plate and the one on door jamb that the stupid painting place decided to sand down got my car inspected by the CHP here in California. As much problems Gray market Euros are here in California, I am surprised someone (Calif Resident) is actually going to buy one "from" out of California knowing that VIN plate is missing. Your 1980 911 "will" get inspected once he tries to register it here. There is no "suggestion" about that VIN plate. You need to be up front that this may be a huge issue for him.

[Danglerb]

Originally Posted by trauma2

mine is a 1980 911 sc gray market. i am in the process of trying to find out the exact size of the plate in the window by the a pillar not on it. my recollection is pretty good and i remember that it did not have rivets and was located on drivers side about 3-4 inches from a pillar. it was very thin aluminum and about 2-3" in length and about 1/2'' high with rounded edges. i don't recall having a b-pillar sticker ever. does anyone have the measurments on an original window vin plate? i am selling this to a gentleman in california and he said he needs both. the vin plate i can understand but the b-pillar is it required by CAL state law or just a suggestion. i have a local shop willing to make the plate just need the size. just for good measure does anyone have a contact for the door jam(b-pillar) sticker? thank you for any info

California, care of the EPA, considers all grey market cars to be 49 state federalized without proof via EPA approved federalizing lab type place that they meet Calif emission standards for the year imported it will NOT get registered. I know of zero people getting around this in the last 10 or more years.

OTOH making a fake door jam plate is likely a federal crime, and could entangle you in all sorts of highly punitive anti car theft laws. Car impounded, you in jail, proceed with caution.

[AirtekHVAC]

hmmm, Dean...I would like this for my 78....mine has been painted somewhat, and cleaned by someone...it is looking shabby, and I always wondered how to get it replaced, re-done....