2022 F1 Thread

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by oldE

That's quite a leap in thinking. I'm afraid I don't follow your argument suggesting if one narrow, unsuited track were dropped why Spa Jerez and Hockenheim must also go too.

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Les

Hahaha!! Maybe Monaco can be a "reserve" F1 track like Jerez. On the other hand, no circuit in the world has the glamour and anticipation of the event like Monaco. It's called the crown jewel of F1 for a reason.

[rfuerst911sc]

Is it the " crown jewel " as a social event or as a race event ? To me there is a big difference . I have no problem with it as a social event. The million dollar yachts , hot bikini babes , celebrities and parties it's a social event.

But as a race venue ? In it's current configuration and the physical size of the cars it is basically follow the leader . There is an occasional pass for position but for me the " race " is a yawner .

Tradition: very valuable to have and save. I am for it . Can the track be widened in sections to have space for passing ? Don't know. But it should be looked into . Or maybe F1 just says it is a social event and keep on rocking 😁

[URY914]

Who needs Monaco? They have Miami now.

[ted]

Originally Posted by URY914

Who needs Monaco? They have Miami now.

Agree both those venues discourage racing.
Seems the spectacle F1 venues and Instagram qualities are more of a priority than the quality of the on track racing.

The Monaco winner did make me happy.

[rusnak]

Originally Posted by rfuerst911sc

Is it the " crown jewel " as a social event or as a race event ? To me there is a big difference . I have no problem with it as a social event. The million dollar yachts , hot bikini babes , celebrities and parties it's a social event.

But as a race venue ? In it's current configuration and the physical size of the cars it is basically follow the leader . There is an occasional pass for position but for me the " race " is a yawner .

Tradition: very valuable to have and save. I am for it . Can the track be widened in sections to have space for passing ? Don't know. But it should be looked into . Or maybe F1 just says it is a social event and keep on rocking ��

Can you name an F1 venue that is not a social event? I can. Jerez. Hockenheim. That's why no one wanted to go. You have to have butts in seats. "oh it was greedy Bernie", you'll say. No, well can you tell me that ticket prices have gone down in the past 5 years?

The narrow streets of Monaco, or Azerbaijan for that matter are part of the allure. How many F1 World champions have dnf'ed out of Monaco? Yup. That's why it's an accomplishment to win at Monaco. And it's a total scrum from P2 on back. This business that it's not real racing - would you tell Leclerc that every time he didn't make it to the checkered flag he was not really racing?

There have probably been a million suggestions to hit the "Easy" button and make the streets of Monaco wider. But to say that is to misunderstand the spectacle of it all. It's chaotic. It's insane. And it's totally awesome.

[ted]

I don't attend F1 events so the social/Instagram qualities are of no value to me.
Watching the race on TV, and seeing Alonso control and back up half the field is a problem.
Not an Alonso issue more of a track issue.
I respect the Monaco history but have eyes open that the history they are making today is not epic like the past history.
Not every track has to be wide open like COTA but every track should have racing as interesting as the surrounding parties and VIP suites.

[mjohnson]

Originally Posted by matthewb0051

Yep. I grew up in a town that was part of the Manhattan Project. In the 90s they started tearing down the old stuff that was built up in the 40s. Lost a lot of history. Now it is a bunch of empty strip malls and fast food joints.

Los Alamos NM here - It's the land of "usta", like "usta' be a bowling alley", "usta' be a department store", "usta' be a roller rink". Now just empty storefronts waiting for that fat DOE/NNSA check as even the local exorbitant rental rates are cheaper than having a footprint on the lab property.

Losing Monaco or any of the other "legacy" tracks would be a shame, as tasty as those Bahrain-bucks probably are.

[Captain Ahab Jr]

The problem with Monaco are the cars are too big now...





Really shocked to see an F1 car is now much larger than an Indy car

[javadog]

Almost 19 feet long…

Just for comparison’s sake, the smallest car in that picture, the LMP1, is a foot and a half longer than an 80’s 911.

The F1 car is almost 5 feet longer than the ‘80s 911.

Ridiculous.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by javadog

Almost 19 feet long…

Just for comparison’s sake, the smallest car in that picture, the LMP1, is a foot and a half longer than an 80’s 911.

The F1 car is almost 5 feet longer than the ‘80s 911.

Ridiculous.

Wow!

I knew they were big, but I had no idea. The average home garage in many older houses would be a really tight fit to hold one of those!

I had to whip out my tape measure. My 86 El Camino is just inches under 17 feet long. So a F1 car is about two feet longer than my El Camino.

[javadog]

The only vehicle I’ve ever owned that’s longer than a modern F1 car was my Ford F250 super duty extended cab truck.

An F1 car is more than a foot and a half longer than my old LWB S-class Mercedes, or my old long wheelbase Audi A8L…

[GH85Carrera]

Back in the olden days of no El Camino, I borrowed a buddies truck to pick up a crate from a trucking company. I had my 914, and we swapped vehicles for the day. He had a F-250 long bed, crew cab. So the full 8 foot bed, and a back seat. I felt like I was driving a cruise ship. He said driving my 914 felt like he was in a roller skate. He had owned a Fiat X-19 in the past and he said he forgot how small sports cars are. I returned it full of gas, and remember almost crying at the fuel bill back in the very early 1980s.

[ted]

I try to like street races.
Agree F1 car has the foot print of my crew cab dually.
Cost would go down per foot if they made F1 cars smaller, improves racing/passing?
Save all the historic sidewalks of Monaco from race track improvements too.

[ted]

Originally Posted by URY914

Who needs Monaco? They have Miami now.

Desirability
1. Organic road race track.
2. Temporary Street track.
3. Temporary Parking lot track?
mb parking lots make better beer gardens?

[URY914]

That's it then. Next year's Monaco racecars will be duallys from Ford, Dodge and GMC's.
I'm betting on Max in a Ford F-350.

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by URY914

That's it then. Next year's Monaco racecars will be duallys from Ford, Dodge and GMC's.
I'm betting on Max in a Ford F-350.

No man. Just Brabus prepared Smart Cars or Abarth Fiat 500

[javadog]

I wonder if F1 has had to add another 747 to the fleet that transports these things to the flyaway races…

[herr_oberst]

Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr

Really shocked to see an F1 car is now much larger than an Indy car

I think you just hit on the answer:

• IndyCar, and the FIA strike a deal to make Indianapolis and Monaco dual points races - and the cars will be run under the rulebook set forth by IndyCar. There's precedent for this - the Indy 500 used to be part of the World Championship, back, back, back in the day.

• Allow current IndyCar teams to strike deals with current F1 teams for driver swaps.

• (The current date for Monaco is probably going to be changed anyway due to Liberty's desire to have F1 races line up better graphically, so there should be no scheduling conflict going forward, anyway.)

[rfuerst911sc]

Originally Posted by URY914

That's it then. Next year's Monaco racecars will be duallys from Ford, Dodge and GMC's.
I'm betting on Max in a Ford F-350.

Diesel dually rolling coal at Monaco , that would make the elites crap themselves 😁

[matthewb0051]

Originally Posted by herr_oberst

I think you just hit on the answer:

• IndyCar, and the FIA strike a deal to make Indianapolis and Monaco dual points races - and the cars will be run under the rulebook set forth by IndyCar. There's precedent for this - the Indy 500 used to be part of the World Championship, back, back, back in the day.

This part sounds a bit like the CART / IRL conflict that about destroyed both series back in the 90's. Ultimately, IRL became IndyCar and CART folded. But the end result was a series similar to CART. Tony George was a genius