JoePa Shocking........

[azasadny]

Nothing that happened at Penn state shocks or even surprises me. I'm sure that you could find similar illegal activities at any college that worships sports and student athletes above all else. Places like U of Michigan, etc... come to mind. My brother worked as a cop/detective in Ann Arbor and he told me of some of the preferential treatment that was given to the U of M athletes and it was sickening. I'm sure it's still going on today as nothing has changed...

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by azasadny

Nothing that happened at Penn state shocks or even surprises me. I'm sure that you could find similar illegal activities at any college that worships sports and student athletes above all else. Places like U of Michigan, etc... come to mind. My brother worked as a cop/detective in Ann Arbor and he told me of some of the preferential treatment that was given to the U of M athletes and it was sickening. I'm sure it's still going on today as nothing has changed...

Oh please do tell about the molestation coverup at University of Michigan.

It's one thing to have "preferential" treatment. Police officers (like your brother) often get preferential treatment. It's a whole other dimension to coverup the molestation of boys over a period of years.

[URY914]

I think deleting the wins since 1998 it a little like trying to rewrite history. What went on in the showers had nothing to do with the on-field play. I say ban football for at least 5 years.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by URY914

I think deleting the wins since 1998 it a little like trying to rewrite history. What went on in the showers had nothing to do with the on-field play.

Of course it did. By not having Penn State and Paterno's name tarnished (and the football program), they were able to keep recruiting top talent. That has everything to do with football.

[Baz]

To those who hold the entire university accountable - why stop there?

The N.C.C.A. should be severely punished as well - perhaps more so than the university - since they are supposed to be "overseeing" the university.

Let's really make a statement if we're going to "do it right"!

Why stop at the Penn State students? Let's get 'em where it REALLY hurts!

[Schrup]

The Family needs to STFU & go away. I'm watching OTL, their statement is revulsive.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by Schrup

The Family needs to STFU & go away. I'm watching OTL, their statement is revulsive.

In denial like I've never seen....sickening.

[Hydrocket]

Originally Posted by Baz

Why stop at the Penn State students? Let's get 'em where it REALLY hurts!

Penn State students aren't being punished....how did you come to that conclusion?

[URY914]

Originally Posted by Hydrocket

Of course it did. By not having Penn State and Paterno's name tarnished (and the football program), they were able to keep recruiting top talent. That has everything to do with football.

After all this do you really think "top talent" will be going to PSU? The football program does need to be punished but reaching back to punish those that didn't know about the dirty deeds is an over reach.

[msk1986911]

I have very little patients (as in none) for those who prey on others..a friend from grade school (longer ago than I care to think) was abused by a male teacher (classic dirt bag in hindsight) and was tortured by that for the rest of his life..sadly, he died way too young, as a result of the abuse.

Penn State got what they deserve.

[nightheart]

A few points of interest to any one who cares. The statue was taken down to prevent violence. It was being "guarded" day and night by students and fans. There would have been bloodshed if anyone tried to remove it, but the university. People were crying when was taken down. Penn State is a cult of personality, in every sense.

State College is a pretty small area, and its entire economy is based on Penn State. There will be many small businesses that go under because of this.

The Students are being punished. I'm not a football fan, but doesn't NCAA rules prohibit someone on a football scholarship from playing for a year, if they transfer to a different school? If that is the case, most of the players are screwed. Either stay at Penn State with a dying program or go somewhere else and not be able to play.

JoePA is dead. I wish he would have lived to see this carnage, and his record erased. There is NO excuse for what he allowed to happen. Sandusky is in jail, thank God. Many of the others in this coverup have already, quit, been fired, and are gone.

I think the biggest lesson is like the NCAA said. To paraphrase, football cannot be placed higher than education at a university. Many people's lives will be destroyed because of this, not the least of whom are Sandusky's victims.

It amazed me that someone such as Joe Paterno could be such a leader on the field, help some men achieve excellence, but be such a coward in real life.

Put the blame where is belongs.

[BeyGon]

At the very beginning NCAA said any student can move and play wherever they go, no penalties. I still think the football program should have had at least ten years ban.

[911pcars]

Is it just me? It seems being fired, quitting or just "gone" from the campus is hardly adequate punishment for covering up felonious acts against children.

S

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

Is it just me? It seems being fired, quitting or just "gone" from the campus is hardly adequate punishment for covering up felonious acts against children.

S

Not just you.

[Chocaholic]

All this while the Catholic Church continues on comparatively unscathed. Amazing to me how prevalent this pedophilia is among those we're taught to trust, and how little is done to stop it. I will never understand.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

All this while the Catholic Church continues on comparatively unscathed. Amazing to me how prevalent this pedophilia is among those we're taught to trust, and how little is done to stop it. I will never understand.

That is because the church has better connections to those in power. They will be protected by the spineless politicians.

[Lothar]

Originally Posted by 911pcars

Can you provide more details of your thinking?

Gladly. Granted, the NCAA is not subject to the same standards as out criminal justice system. The NCAA and member schools can make their own agreements as to what authority exists to levy penalties.

However, my point was that we live in a country that was founded on the notion that individuals are held accountable for their actions, or inaction, in this case. That, unfortunately, is giving way to more emphasis on "the collective". So now, large groups are punished for the actions of a few to "make an example of them".

I guess punishing "Penn State" has more impact than punishing an AD, chancellor, University President, etc. However, the notion that punishment should be levied because crimes were committed to benefit the program is a twisted one, when many in the program had no idea that it was being done on their behalf.

For example, if some crazed lunatic assassinates a candidate for office because he wants another candidate to win an election, this does not make the other candidate responsible for the crime and warrants no punishment other than for the lunatic that acted as an individual.

[flatbutt]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

That entire football program should be shut down for five years minimum, in addition to the fines, etc. Penn State proved in the worst possible way that it is simply unworthy of existence, much less a football program.

Actually I think PS should be forced to compete. And all of their revenue should then be distributed among the various child welfare programs in Pennsylvania.

[targa911S]

I like that idea.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally Posted by Lothar

However, the notion that punishment should be levied because crimes were committed to benefit the program is a twisted one, when many in the program had no idea that it was being done on their behalf.

Do you feel punitive damages and sanctions levied against a corporation for the misdeeds of it's management are also improper?